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Thoughts on Performance Improvement Plans?

Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:35 pm
Posted by bctiger7
Member since Apr 2018
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:35 pm
Typically, do you see this only go to what is considered “low performers” or is it often given to other employees as well just to save arse when they let go of said employee?

I know every company uses this differently but in my experience they typically end up being dished out to the low performers. I haven’t come across someone who was surprised they were put on one.
Posted by Chingon Ag
Member since Nov 2018
2795 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:37 pm to
I believe this is step one for HR to move toward the impending termination.
Posted by AwesomeSauce
Das Boot
Member since May 2015
7515 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:38 pm to
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Performance Improvement Plans
AKA, justification for termination. It's a red flag telling you to update your resume and find a new spot before HR has to come down.
Posted by North Dallas Tiger
Geaux Tigahs
Member since Mar 2024
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:39 pm to
update your resumé and start browsing Indeed, playa...

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
12485 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:40 pm to
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I know every company uses this differently

There's some company culture that pushes it but i find it to be more manager specific.

Personal experience, I got one from my boss because he thought i was slacking off when in reality i was heads down with the finance team pushing towards our IPO that required thee deals to close simultaneously. Him and HR realized they fricked up pretty quick when i bailed on the finance work since only a specific part of it was technically my job. After a couple thrown chairs by the CFO they got their shite together, pulled the PIP and i ended up with a nice IPO bonus. Then i left on the 1 year vest date and now they're one of my larger clients.

His exact words when i gave my notice were, "I did that because i thought your head was in your arse, but afterward realized it was mine."
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 4:42 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
61190 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:42 pm to
I've always heard it's just a formality before you're fired.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
35086 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:42 pm to
I’ve been in one a few times. All but once were a misunderstanding. I don’t think they helped me much.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
62936 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:43 pm to
I've had a few that succeeded in improving the employee and they stayed on. It's definitely a documentation for potential termination deal, but good organizations don't consider it a done deal automatically.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
6526 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:44 pm to
Every single employee we put on one gets terminated after 30 days on said ‘plan’. Its the kiss of death and basically a courtesy to start looking for and find another job before you get fired.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
3166 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:44 pm to
quote:

Thoughts on Performance Improvement Plans?


They typically never work, but give legal and HR cover before actually terminating someone.

Three step process... warning letter, warning letter, warning letter with PIP, termination.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 4:45 pm
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
98968 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:45 pm to
CYA for the company when they fire them a few weeks later.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
21409 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:46 pm to
I didn't know that PIPs were used on the personal level. I've used them for decreasing ER TATs for labwork before, where a team from ER and one from the lab got together and drastically decreased ER turn-around-times. And several other hospital projects. Usually work very well.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124113 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:51 pm to
What does a "final warning" mean?


Because I've gotten those multiple times

With the same company
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 4:52 pm
Posted by TheWalrus
Member since Dec 2012
40486 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:51 pm to
I fricked up and almost volunteered myself for one at my last job. I realize now that it was an incredibly toxic work environment and not a reflection of my abilities. Fortunately found a good job just before I was put on one.
Posted by bctiger7
Member since Apr 2018
11 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:52 pm to
FWIW, I’ve noticed my company issues them with a deadline. For example I saw one dude get one and they called it a 4 month PIP. He survived. At other places though, I’ve seen it more so as a final warning to get your shite packed and a courtesy to find another job before you get fired.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48328 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:55 pm to
If there is a very well crafted PIP program, then IMHO it should help the organization.

The org must have the proper methods to do business and it must have a training program for employees to be able to master those methods. The PIP should be a training/development program whose objective it is to maximize the employees potential. If the employee is a hot young female, then, none of the preceding matters at all.
Posted by USAFTiger42
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2016
1679 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:56 pm to
I've heard if a company is worth a shite normally it's supposed to be a "wake up" call and hopefully the employee fixes his/her shite or Indeed here they come. (or go)
Posted by bad93ex
Member since Sep 2018
27146 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:58 pm to
Update your resume, should be the first step.
Posted by CocomoLSU
Inside your dome.
Member since Feb 2004
150686 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:00 pm to
quote:

I believe this is step one for HR to move toward the impending termination.

In State work, it’s one of the last steps before termination.
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
4881 posts
Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:01 pm to
When i issue PIPs its usually someone i actually want to salvage and want them to do a better job. It does give me the necessary paper trail with HR if that doesnt work out though.

if its someone i didnt care about salvaging they would just have written warnings signed and documented with consultation and i would move for termination after certain number.
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