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re: This problem affects us all. PDs need accountability. Remember Daniel Shaver.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:28 pm to 99BLKBRD
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:28 pm to 99BLKBRD
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In the official police report of the incident, Brailsford defended his actions, saying that Shaver crawling towards the officers was Shaver "trying to gain a position of advantage in order to gain a better firing position on us".
Seems like that guy was just itching to shoot someone.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:28 pm to 99BLKBRD
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Langley had emigrated to the Philippines.[32][33]
Not only that but he was rehired so he could get a full pension tax free for life from the department.
Jesus flipping Christ, what sort of fricked up system is that?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:30 pm to bigtiger440
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This is the first time i have seen this video. How in the hell did that cop get off. clearly the kid was scared shitless.
Cop is free and gets $2,500 a month from tax payers
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:34 pm to GetCocky11
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Was this the video where the cop was giving the most confusing instructions ever to the victim? He was basically making the victim do a combination of the hokey-pokey and Twister.
Yep.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:45 pm to Dustydubs
Never really met a real live individual that doesn’t think we need serious police reform
You've never met a cop?
You've never met a cop?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:50 pm to DeathValley85
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Seems like that guy was just itching to shoot someone.
Sounds to me like a defense concocted to try to cover his arse. The shooter wasn't the one who was giving the orders. The horrible screaming commands are from the guy who left the US for the Philippines.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 3:58 pm to cmayLSU07
Like you said, it affects us all. If the BLM movement is what ends up causing changes to be made, I'm all for it.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 4:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:quote:The ones that supported the shutdown over the virus in particular.
the resident bootlickers just love the taste of leather
Posted on 6/9/20 at 4:33 pm to Loup
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Like you said, it affects us all. If the BLM movement is what ends up causing changes to be made, I'm all for it.
Agreed.
I've gotten a lot of shite about minimizing the BLM movement with this post, which is why I've edited the post title. That wasn't my intention and I actually support most what the BLM movement represents. But, the point I was really trying to make is Police reform is an issue that should be separate from the BLM movement, as it doesn't just affect blacks, it affects ALL Americans. It's something I don't see how all America can't get behind in force, and quickly.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 4:42 pm to cmayLSU07
Honestly. This video is one of the single most horrifying videos I have ever watched. it blows my mind that not only did he escape any prison time. He is now getting a lifetime pension check for it. 
To be honest, if I was Daniel Shaver in that instance. There's a pretty good chance I would also have ended up dead. don't know what I'd do differently. I mean they were giving confusing arse directions. Telling him to cross his legs and arms. Crawl on his legs with his arms up. Fall flat on his face. If he makes the slightest mistake at all he will get shot.
Honestly, who could possibly follow all of those instructions to the T, while being inebriated, while also having multiple weapons pointed at you with people yelling conflicted instructions to you. I feel like you'd have to have military background in order to not fold during that sequence.
To be honest, if I was Daniel Shaver in that instance. There's a pretty good chance I would also have ended up dead. don't know what I'd do differently. I mean they were giving confusing arse directions. Telling him to cross his legs and arms. Crawl on his legs with his arms up. Fall flat on his face. If he makes the slightest mistake at all he will get shot.
Honestly, who could possibly follow all of those instructions to the T, while being inebriated, while also having multiple weapons pointed at you with people yelling conflicted instructions to you. I feel like you'd have to have military background in order to not fold during that sequence.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 4:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The ones that supported the shutdown over the virus in particular.
If this was a shot at me, I’d love for you to find a post of me supporting the shut downs
Go ahead
Posted on 6/9/20 at 4:55 pm to Loup
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Like you said, it affects us all. If the BLM movement is what ends up causing changes to be made, I'm all for it.
While I agree with statements like this, what reforms would fix the Shaver case? He was tried by a jury of his peers like the law requires and found not guilty.
What changes fix that? A rework of the judicial system? If we are unhappy with a jury's result, we put people on trial until we get the desired outcome? I don't understand the tangible changes that fix something like this.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:11 pm to toosleaux
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What changes fix that? A rework of the judicial system? If we are unhappy with a jury's result, we put people on trial until we get the desired outcome? I don't understand the tangible changes that fix something like this.
Valid point. And I don't have all the answers, I just know something has to be done. But I think some of the changes to fix this issue would be in stricter training, and laws putting restriction on the use of guns by police. To prevent this type of thing from ever happening in the first place. Obviously after the fact, if a jury acquits, I don't see anything that can be done.
ETA: How about a simple nationwide law that if a subject is lying facedown on the ground with no weapons, no authority to fire, otherwise mandatory criminal charges and firing (with no option to rehire with pension
)This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:35 pm to cmayLSU07
Someone needs to kill this guy. For real
Worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life
Worst thing I’ve ever seen in my life
Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:37 pm to toosleaux
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While I agree with statements like this, what reforms would fix the Shaver case? He was tried by a jury of his peers like the law requires and found not guilty.
What changes fix that? A rework of the judicial system? If we are unhappy with a jury's result, we put people on trial until we get the desired outcome? I don't understand the tangible changes that fix something like this.
You are looking at it backwards the primary desire is not to insure or increase punishment it is to prevent the deaths in the first place. I don't want Shaver's murdering cop doing life, I want Shaver alive and having been brought to justice in the courts for any crimes he may have committed.
I understand why people are questioning why BLM wasn't more inclusive and why didn't Shaver get more attention, the answer is pretty simple: White folks just don't care.
The majority of white people (myself included) tend to be perfectly happy about the status quo. Most of us here saw and discussed Shaver but we didn't do anything about it. I sat here on my computer and railed about it being the most horrific thing I have seen but I didn't do shite. In my bubble, I could NEVER see myself in the position Shaver was in. As fricked up as it was it wasn't ever going to be me and I am almost certainly correct. Black people have a different status quo, I have never once thought during a traffic stop "I wish I was black".
Like it or not white people have the power to reform the police system and we have avoided doing it because status quo is easy and the Shaver's are few and far between.
Nobody is perfect in this nor is anyone 100% wrong but as a whole we can do better.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 5:58 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 5:49 pm to toosleaux
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While I agree with statements like this, what reforms would fix the Shaver case? He was tried by a jury of his peers like the law requires and found not guilty.
Well first off I’d love to know why the judge sealed the body cam footage. All body cam footage should be public record at this point, especially if there’s nothin to hide. Upload that to a cloud storage accessible to the public.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 6:20 pm to msutiger
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His is by far the most horrifying police brutality video and it received practically zero media coverage
Killing the six year old kid when they were trying to execute his father has to be in the final four.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 6:22 pm to DCtiger1
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Well first off I’d love to know why the judge sealed the body cam footage.
The prosecution and the defense filed a joint motion that it be sealed against public release until after the trial. The reasoning is that the public's want to know was trumped by needing to protect the integrity of the trial. Nobody wanted to go through the time, effort, and expense of having a trial only for it to end in a mistrial with a massively tainted jury pool for the second trial.
This does not mean that the jury didn't see it; the prosecution showed them the footage right up front during opening arguments. It just means that the footage was not publicly released in its entirety until the trial was finished.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 6/9/20 at 6:46 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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This does not mean that the jury didn't see it
Do you know the jury saw the full video?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 6:51 pm to DCtiger1
They saw a digital re-enactment
Kidding
Maybe
Kidding
Maybe
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