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re: There's 'mounting evidence' Louisiana's coronavirus restrictions maybe weren't 'justified'
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:18 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:18 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:18 pm to Open Your Eyes
It’s the new version of “think about the children”
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:19 pm to cable
But now it’s think of the elderly!
Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:26 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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You tell me which member of your family you are ok with dying just because people die. I will hang up and listen. This post was edited on 5/24 at 12:01 pm
Tell me how to stop people from dying from a disease that doesn’t have a cure
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:10 pm to FAP SAM
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So the states with the biggest cities were hit the hardest
Like Dallas, and Houston, and Miami?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:13 pm to Scruffy
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How about give everyone the choice?
Scruffy’s parents are both mid-60s and have been absolutely furious about the shutdown from day 1.
They have stated, repeatedly, that they were willing to take the risk.
Easy to say. My dad told me he wants to see me and his grandson and he was willing to take the risk, but I'm not yet willing to risk giving my dad the virus since he has multiple comorbidities. Easy to say "his choice" but if my actions got him sick and he died, "his choice" doesn't make me feel any better. I can't shrug it off and say "well you know, he made his choice". frick that.
That said, I agree on a population level that people should be given the choice and it should be up to me and my dad whether we take the risk now that we understand them
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:21 pm to Hulkklogan
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That said, I agree on a population level that people should be given the choice and it should be up to me and my dad whether we take the risk now that we understand them
That’s all many of us older folks wanted: let us make our own informed decision instead of having govt decide to use us as an excuse to manipulate everyone.
My grandkids are teenagers and have for years been smart enough to tell me not to come over when they’re sick with the flu or generally not well. I don’t need some govt official to tell me how to use common sense.
And depending on how old your dad is, maybe he’s like me and figures the 1957/8 variety didn’t get him, the 68 variety failed so let’s go for the trifecta. Personally I feel being exposed and able to recover over the years from various diseases and flu strains and other maladies is far more beneficial to a population’s health than isolating everyone each time someone sneezes.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:23 pm to Cymry Teigr
The problem on a personal level is the asymptomatic spread. If we had to have symptoms to spread it, it'd be way easier to work out seeing each other.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:25 pm to Hulkklogan
Agreed, but that’s a choice to be made by someone who knows they potentially have comorbidity factors.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:26 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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Non elderly and perfectly healthy people have died from this. Are you ok with it being you?
First, they account for a minuscule amount of the deaths. Second, what an absurd question, of course I’m ok with it being me, I’m not an idiot. I know I’m not immortal.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:26 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The politicization of this has become ridiculous. It can simultaneously be true that
A)The initial reaction and restrictions were entirely appropriate given how little was known about the virus at the time
and
B) At this point Louisiana, and other states, are moving too slowly in reopening their economies.
It's also perfectly reasonable to advocate for a return to normalcy on most fronts while still recognizing the wisdom of wearing masks when in close quarters with stranger
You realize of course that this kind of common sense will never stand on here.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 2:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Which is likely why the president suggested solutions, but allowed the 10th Amendment to play out leaving the decisions to the governors.
DRaconian shutdwns were lazy political solutions. So were blanket policies.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 4:18 pm to Hulkklogan
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My dad told me he wants to see me and his grandson and he was willing to take the risk, but I'm not yet willing to risk giving my dad the virus since he has multiple comorbidities. Easy to say "his choice" but if my actions got him sick and he died, "his choice" doesn't make me feel any better. I can't shrug it off and say "well you know, he made his choice".
So, you made the choice to expose him to the virus 3 months from now instead. Because that is all you are doing. Delaying the inevitable.
And statistically, the inevitable is that your dad won’t even get sick at all. You just took the most precious thing from him (time with his loved ones) because you have issues with feeling guilty.
Newsflash: older people have wisdom. Let them use it. My dad said to bring his grandkids ASAP. I did it. He is in his late 70’s and has already outlived both his parents ages of death and outlived my mom. I will give him as much happiness as he wants.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 4:39 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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Non elderly and perfectly healthy people have died from this. Are you ok with it being you?
99.7% of people have survived this. Are you okay with that being you?
Posted on 5/24/20 at 4:49 pm to SECdragonmaster
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So, you made the choice to expose him to the virus 3 months from now instead. Because that is all you are doing. Delaying the inevitable.
And statistically, the inevitable is that your dad won’t even get sick at all. You just took the most precious thing from him (time with his loved ones) because you have issues with feeling guilty.
Newsflash: older people have wisdom. Let them use it. My dad said to bring his grandkids ASAP. I did it. He is in his late 70’s and has already outlived both his parents ages of death and outlived my mom. I will give him as much happiness as he wants.
No, we don't know what the risk factor will be in 3 months. The way things are going now the risk factor will be even lower than it is now.
Anyway that is irrelevant because I didn't delay by 3 months, I delayed until father's day, which you'll probably think is even dumber. I want a couple of weeks to watch the numbers stay stagnant or slightly increase and then we'll visit. I want to feel sure that we continue to not see spikes in cases through phase 1.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 5:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yes we do.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 5:18 pm to Hulkklogan
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No, we don't know what the risk factor will be in 3 months.
Yes, we do. It will be the exact same as it is today. The exact same as it was on March 9 when the Diamond Princess data called for 17% infection rate, ~ 50% asymptomatic cases, and a 0.5% mortality rate. The virus doesn’t magically decide to stop infecting people in 3 months.
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I delayed until father's day, which you'll probably think is even dumber. I want a couple of weeks to watch the numbers stay stagnant or slightly increase and then we'll visit. I want to feel sure that we continue to not see spikes in cases through phase 1.
your previous post talked about not being able to live with yourself if you infected your dad and he died. That is never going to be 100% preventable, but it will be much closer than it is now when a vaccine comes out in a few years. If you truly were as worried as you claim you would at least be waiting until then to visit him. Instead, you’re going to see him in 3 weeks. The only way to interpret that action based on your previous posts is you’re being extremely selfish in going to see him. It’s so very obvious you’re in favor of continued lockdown, yet you insist on pussyfooting around it for some reason and it makes you look even more foolish. You’d be much better off just being consistent with what you truly want to happen.
Posted on 5/24/20 at 5:43 pm to Open Your Eyes
I'm not at all in favor of further lockdowns. I'm in favor of measured opening just as we are doing.
You are making a lot of inferences about someone you know nothing about and arguing that I should make personal decisions based upon population-level metrics. That's not how it should work.
The truth is I have deactivated all of my social media besides TD.com, and I don't watch cable TV so I don't watch and national news and don't ever watch local news either. I am basing these decisions solely based on the numbers in Louisiana as they come out every day and the general trends we are seeing, and podcasts that I listen to.
So yes, my decision to see my dad in 3 weeks is selfish. And yes, my decision to not see him now is purely emotional. I've been going to my class-based gym, my son is in daycare, and my wife is back in her office, so we are all around people all day. Given that, seems like we present a significant risk of being asymptomatic carriers.
On top of this, I was in the camp that thought we'd see increases of cases as we opened up and so far that hasn't happened. I'm happy for that, but I also am wary still as it has only been a week.
You are making a lot of inferences about someone you know nothing about and arguing that I should make personal decisions based upon population-level metrics. That's not how it should work.
The truth is I have deactivated all of my social media besides TD.com, and I don't watch cable TV so I don't watch and national news and don't ever watch local news either. I am basing these decisions solely based on the numbers in Louisiana as they come out every day and the general trends we are seeing, and podcasts that I listen to.
So yes, my decision to see my dad in 3 weeks is selfish. And yes, my decision to not see him now is purely emotional. I've been going to my class-based gym, my son is in daycare, and my wife is back in her office, so we are all around people all day. Given that, seems like we present a significant risk of being asymptomatic carriers.
On top of this, I was in the camp that thought we'd see increases of cases as we opened up and so far that hasn't happened. I'm happy for that, but I also am wary still as it has only been a week.
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 5:47 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:19 pm to Hulkklogan
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I'm not at all in favor of further lockdowns. I'm in favor of measured opening just as we are doing.
You are making a lot of inferences about someone you know nothing about and
The majority of your response to a post that said “let them make the choice” was to explain how you’ve managed to guilt trip yourself over a very remote hypothetical situation so much that you’re going against your dad’s wishes to see his own family. I can’t think of a single reason for you to post that emotional BS outside of trying, in your own pussyfooting way, to scare people against the idea of having a choice.
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arguing that I should make personal decisions based upon population-level metrics. That's not how it should work.
Let me make this abundantly clear. I could not possibly care less what decisions you make or how you make them. That should be completely up to you.
I do care about you and your fellow Karen’s continuing to feaemonger and support draconian policies that impact far more people than coronavirus ever will.
And when you announce to the world that you’re a hypocrite that isn’t going to abide by the rules you want everyone else to be governed by in 3 weeks, I’m going to point that out.
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The truth is I have deactivated all of my social media besides TD.com, and I don't watch cable TV so I don't watch and national news and don't ever watch local news either. I am basing these decisions solely based on the numbers in Louisiana as they come out every day and the general trends we are seeing, and podcasts that I listen to.
If that were true, there’s been plenty of information that is based on real data that’s been posted on Tigerdropping’s everyday for weeks. Seems like you should be far more educated than the sheep that only get their news from the places you claim you don’t.
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So yes, my decision to see my dad in 3 weeks is selfish. And yes, my decision to not see him now is purely emotional. I've been going to my class-based gym, my son is in daycare, and my wife is back in her office, so we are all around people all day. Given that, seems like we present a significant risk of being asymptomatic carriers.
And as the 3 of you continue interacting with the real world over the next 3 weeks, there will be an even greater risk of you being an asymptomatic carrier. In fact, the only logical choice in this situation is to go see him immediately, when you have the lowest risk of being asymptomatic and you know the spike you’re so worried about hasn’t happened.
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On top of this, I was in the camp that thought we'd see increases of cases as we opened up and so far that hasn't happened.
Firstly, there is absolutely going to be an increase in cases. There will be more people tested. That is irrelevant. The only thing relevant is the hospitalization numbers.
Secondly, the ironic thing is you and your fellow fearmongering Karen’s should be hoping for a spike in cases. Because without one there is no evidence your precious lockdown did anything at all.
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I'm happy for that, but I also am wary still as it has only been a week.
And there it is again, the pussyfooting. ‘I know the numbers look really good right now, like they have for several weeks. But there is still a chance this thing could kill millions.’
How long has Georgia been re-opened? What do their numbers look like?
This post was edited on 5/24/20 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 5/24/20 at 6:30 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Let me make this abundantly clear. I could not possibly care less what decisions you make or how you make them. That should be completely up to you.
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The majority of your response to a post that said “let them make the choice” was to explain how you’ve managed to guilt trip yourself over a very remote hypothetical situation so much that you’re going against your dad’s wishes to see his own family. I can’t think of a single reason for you to post that emotional BS outside of trying, in your own pussyfooting way, to scare people against the idea of having a choice.
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arguing that I should make personal decisions based upon population-level metrics. That's not how it should work.
Let me make this abundantly clear. I could not possibly care less what decisions you make or how you make them. That should be completely up to you.
I do care about you and your fellow Karen’s continuing to feaemonger and support draconian policies that impact far more people than coronavirus ever will.
And when you announce to the world that you’re a hypocrite that isn’t going to abide by the rules you want everyone else to be governed by in 3 weeks, I’m going to point that out.
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The truth is I have deactivated all of my social media besides TD.com, and I don't watch cable TV so I don't watch and national news and don't ever watch local news either. I am basing these decisions solely based on the numbers in Louisiana as they come out every day and the general trends we are seeing, and podcasts that I listen to.
If that were true, there’s been plenty of information that is based on real data that’s been posted on Tigerdropping’s everyday for weeks. Seems like you should be far more educated than the sheep that only get their news from the places you claim you don’t.
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So yes, my decision to see my dad in 3 weeks is selfish. And yes, my decision to not see him now is purely emotional. I've been going to my class-based gym, my son is in daycare, and my wife is back in her office, so we are all around people all day. Given that, seems like we present a significant risk of being asymptomatic carriers.
And as the 3 of you continue interacting with the real world over the next 3 weeks, there will be an even greater risk of you being an asymptomatic carrier. In fact, the only logical choice in this situation is to go see him immediately, when you have the lowest risk of being asymptomatic and you know the spike you’re so worried about hasn’t happened.
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On top of this, I was in the camp that thought we'd see increases of cases as we opened up and so far that hasn't happened.
Firstly, there is absolutely going to be an increase in cases. There will be more people tested. That is irrelevant. The only thing relevant is the hospitalization numbers.
Secondly, the ironic thing is you and your fellow fearmongering Karen’s should be hoping for a spike in cases. Because without one there is no evidence your precious lockdown did anything at all.
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I'm happy for that, but I also am wary still as it has only been a week.
And there it is again, the pussyfooting. ‘I know the numbers look really good right now, like they have for several weeks. But there is still a chance this thing could kill millions.’
How long has Georgia been re-opened? What do their numbers look like?
I'm not arguing anymore. Good day.
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