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re: The War on Drugs scam
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:17 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:17 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Out of 2.2 million prisoners there are around 47,000 serving time for possession.
Try again, possession of drugs isn’t causing mass incarceration.
But it has caused millions more to be on paper. Probation and short stints in county cause an obvious ripple in terms of possible lost jobs not to mention the struggle to pay fines and fees. Someone who can keep their nose clean but unable to pay is right back to lockup. And today, background check systems make it easy for companies to avoid hiring those who sincerely want to work. It's a pretty damning system once you're in it. And I'm only talking about simple possession mind you.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:18 am to WaWaWeeWa
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The root cause of other violent crime is an interesting thought though. I suspect that people will find something else to fight over, but I could be wrong. I’m not sure there is anything to support either hypothesis.
You’ll never completely pacify an impoverished area. But I do believe the “drug game” produces angry fatherless children who fall into the same traps as their fathers thus repeating the cycle.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:18 am to Sao
What are the ripple effects of legal crack, meth, and heroine?
There is a big difference between legalizing weed (should have been done years ago) and legalizing hard drugs.
Majority of these issues aren’t over weed
There is a big difference between legalizing weed (should have been done years ago) and legalizing hard drugs.
Majority of these issues aren’t over weed
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 7:20 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:19 am to Big Scrub TX
quote:ending the war on poverty fixes the other 25%
Ending the war on drugs would solve like 75% of the actual problems we have.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 7:20 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:23 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Majority of these issues aren’t over weed
Yeah, they pretty much are. You're thinking waaay too movielike. Possession of half an ounce can cause huge financial problems for lower class casual users.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:24 am to Sao
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It's a pretty damning system once you're in it. And I'm only talking about simple possession mind you.
As an Athletic Director I was forced to fire two very good coaches (both were 28) who had Simple Possessions (mj) on their record from their early 20s. We already knew about it but the new admin feared the parents would find out and flip. Both were excellent at their jobs
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:26 am to WaWaWeeWa
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What are the ripple effects of legal crack, meth, and heroine?
Some legal heroines might just solve the problem on their own.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:29 am to Sao
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Yeah, they pretty much are.
Show me some evidence that most prison sentences and violence are over weed
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:30 am to tigerinthebueche
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Yeah man, like single parent households would just disappear along with poverty and illiteracy.
You don't think not putting fathers in jail for minor nonviolent offenses would help with single parent households?
You don't think that not putting people in jail for minor nonviolent offenses would help when it comes to job prospects?
Ending the war on drugs is one of many steps that should be taken to help out many people in this country. Obviously, something needs to be figured out for the hard drugs and whatnot so it's not just some free-for-all.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:33 am to WaWaWeeWa
Dude, I mentioned above the millions of cases on the county lockup side. Affects your 40K doesn't begin to address. Think broader on this War On Drugs.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:38 am to tigerinthebueche
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Yeah man, like single parent households would just disappear along with poverty and illiteracy.
And bro, we’d like lower crime everywhere man. Our deficit would like go away and you know dude, like, everyone would go get a job and get off of entitlements. ?
Are you high?
Because the status quo is working oh so well, right?
What we need is more and harder laws!
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:40 am to Sao
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Dude, I mentioned above the millions of cases on the county lockup side. Affects your 40K doesn't begin to address. Think broader on this War On Drugs.
What are you talking about on the county side? I’m including all prisoners.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:42 am to Sasquatch Smash
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You don't think that not putting people in jail for minor nonviolent offenses would help when it comes to job prospects?
no, I don’t think these people are looking for jobs. But I’m all for trying with legalizing weed. I just don’t think that’s that the majority of these drug sentences are for. Sure you can probably find a few cases of guys locked up for trafficking massive quantities of weed multiple times, but that’s the rarity. I’m open to seeing other information though 
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:44 am to lsufan112001
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Pot is no big deal, however it’ll just become a starter drug.
This is one of the absolute stupidest lies told snd I have no idea how so many people believe it
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:45 am to TutHillTiger
Amsterdam says high... literally I guess
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:48 am to TutHillTiger
quote:Just so you know, this guy is very left wing and his show is always from a left wing viewpoint.
Adam ruins everything
He “ruins” everything because he takes a topic and runs it through a left wing spin machine and claims it’s fact.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:52 am to WaWaWeeWa
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What are the ripple effects of legal crack, meth, and heroine?
This can't be ignored, but I believe if we decriminalize them and focus on rehab and skill training, then we can lessen the impact. Humans are humans and we'll find a way to get fricked up, legal or not.
shite, what are the ripple effects of legal alcohol? We've managed.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:52 am to WaWaWeeWa
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no, I don’t think these people are looking for jobs.
Wow
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:53 am to Tigeralum2008
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I do believe the “drug game” produces angry fatherless children who fall into the same traps as their fathers thus repeating the cycle.
angry, fatherless children are produced by POS fathers who lack accountability. Those individual's drug use is a result of their shitty character. Their shitty character is, in part, the result of the welfare state (created by FDR and democrats) who made- and continue to incentivize- single mothers (by paying the mothers for having dependents) and relieving the father of any financial obligation to that family.
You're not going to alleviate the plague of bastard children in the black community (a rate of around 70%) by legalizing drugs. The "drug game" is a result or symptom of the larger problem within all races. That problem is the decline of the nuclear family
Posted on 6/9/20 at 7:54 am to WaWaWeeWa
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no, I don’t think these people are looking for jobs. But I’m all for trying with legalizing weed. I just don’t think that’s that the majority of these drug sentences are for. Sure you can probably find a few cases of guys locked up for trafficking massive quantities of weed multiple times, but that’s the rarity. I’m open to seeing other information though
I posted these figures in threads previously, found on the Wikipedia page for the prison-industrial complex.
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Since President Reagan institutionalized the War on Drugs in 1980, incarceration rates have tripled. In fact, the Federal Bureau of Prisons reports that drug offense convictions have led to a majority of the US inmate population in federal prisons.
The first graph really needs to have Clinton's three-strikes law from 1994 added.
Is it possible that your numbers based on drug convictions of the prison population misses some of the cases due to it being a third-strike crime? Or perhaps the drug charges are dropped but they are sent to prison for a more serious charge for which the were also arrested?
Either way, there is no arguing that this country incarcerates more people per capita than anywhere else...and it is in large part because of the war on drugs.
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