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re: The Tulsa riots.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 3:11 pm to Napoleon
Posted on 6/15/20 at 3:11 pm to Napoleon
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Even in the one American history class I took at Southern that was black centric(heavy focus on black leaders, skipped both world wars) didn't touch it.
As an aside, my conservative public school history classes in middle/high school were like 1 week on the revolution, 6 weeks on Lincoln, 1 week on 2 WWs and then 6 weeks on the civil rights movement.
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 3:18 pm to Twenty 49
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White people eventually went nuts and burned down or destroyed the whole area, 35 blocks of churches, schools, businesses, even a hospital and library. Engaged in looting, shooting, burning, and murder.
Change one word in the post and you’ll have what’s going on now. I’ll let you figure out that word.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 4:07 pm to Napoleon
I listened to an episode of "Stuff You Should Know" about it. Sounds like no one was proud of the way they acted so no one brought it up until maybe the 90s-00s. Sounds like there were dubious facts on both sides.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:04 pm to LSUFanHouston
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And the guy said he told the professor, there is no way this happened, I'm from Tulsa, and I never heard about any of this, or even that the area existed.
It wasn’t taught in public school or reported about widely. I agree with that. But saying you have no idea that it happened, growing up in Tulsa makes me a little skeptical.
But saying he had no idea that area existed, is like growing up in Baton Rouge and saying I didn’t know Spainish Town exists. That’s bullshite.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 7:57 pm to LSUFreek
Your version is closer to what I've read about the Tulsa riots, although I will say that both sides did things that were wrong. Basically black kid was arrested for assaulting a white girl. Black folks heard large group of white folks were at the courthouse trying to lynch the black kid so they gathered weapons and headed there. This actually wasn't true though. But white folks saw black folks with weapons at courthouse, thought they were starting a rebellion, got weapons and headed to meet black folks. Police were initially able to cool things down, but shortly after that two white dudes tried to get to the black kid at the jail. The police caught them before they could, but black folks heard about it and returned to courthouse, which caused white folks to return. At some point a police officer fired a gun in the air to get the two sides to pay attention to him but all that did was trigger the riots as both sides thought the other sides were firing on them. From there the craziness began.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 7:58 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:34 pm to Napoleon
Thru high school we were taught the white washed (no pun intended) version of history.. School boards don't want irate parents mad at them for little Johnny saying " why did we murder so much, if we were Christians"?
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:38 pm to Napoleon
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Napoleon
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class I took at Southern
Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:53 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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It wasn’t taught in public school or reported about widely
I wonder why.
There's no lack of coverage on the three civil rights workers in Mississippi during Freedom Summer or Emmitt Till or the church bombing and this was a lot more destructive.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:09 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Some black guy who was from Tulsa, said he took a black history class at OU and the professor talked about this. And the guy said he told the professor, there is no way this happened, I'm from Tulsa, and I never heard about any of this, or even that the area existed.
I was transferred to Tulsa for a few years and worked downtown. When some friends were showing me around and started pointing out markers associated with the riots, I had absolutely no clue wtf they were talking about.
Really sad story and something that should be taught in history classes. While it's true that the victors write the history books, I've always liked to think that Americans have done a better job than most countries in 'owning' our history....sugarcoated? sure. just erased? nah.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:23 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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But saying he had no idea that area existed, is like growing up in Baton Rouge and saying I didn’t know Spainish Town exists. That’s bullshite.
That isn't what he actually said. He said he didn't know that Greenwood had such a thriving and affluent black community, he was amazed since he went to school on Greenwood Street.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:37 pm to mmmmmbeeer
LINK
News Blackout
For decades, there were no public ceremonies, memorials for the dead or any efforts to commemorate the events of May 31-June 1, 1921. Instead, there was a deliberate effort to cover them up.
The Tulsa Tribune removed the front-page story of May 31 that sparked the chaos from its bound volumes, and scholars later discovered that police and state militia archives about the riot were missing as well. As a result, until recently the Tulsa Race Massacre was rarely mentioned in history books, taught in schools or even talked about.
Scholars began to delve deeper into the story of the riot in the 1970s, after its 50th anniversary had passed. In 1996, on the riot’s 75th anniversary, a service was held at the Mount Zion Baptist Church, which rioters had burned to the ground, and a memorial was placed in front of Greenwood Cultural Center.
News Blackout
For decades, there were no public ceremonies, memorials for the dead or any efforts to commemorate the events of May 31-June 1, 1921. Instead, there was a deliberate effort to cover them up.
The Tulsa Tribune removed the front-page story of May 31 that sparked the chaos from its bound volumes, and scholars later discovered that police and state militia archives about the riot were missing as well. As a result, until recently the Tulsa Race Massacre was rarely mentioned in history books, taught in schools or even talked about.
Scholars began to delve deeper into the story of the riot in the 1970s, after its 50th anniversary had passed. In 1996, on the riot’s 75th anniversary, a service was held at the Mount Zion Baptist Church, which rioters had burned to the ground, and a memorial was placed in front of Greenwood Cultural Center.
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:47 pm to Napoleon
I agree. Never heard of it
Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:51 pm to mmmmmbeeer
So you are firmly against rewriting history and removing all signs of events? Just making sure I understand
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:11 pm to Monkeyboy
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At some point a police officer fired a gun in the air to get the two sides to pay attention to him but all that did was trigger the riots as both sides thought the other sides were firing on them. From there the craziness began.
So what you’re saying is nothing has changed in 100 years?
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 11:22 pm
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:11 pm to Napoleon
If I remember right, wasn't there a similar incident in Florida?
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:20 pm to Napoleon
Yeah I knew about it, but I am a history buff, I knew the basic facts but after seeing watchmen, I had to look it up again, and was thinking no way in hell they really used aerial bombardment and freakin mounted machine guns, like on watchman show. I was stunned to discover how accurate watchman actually was. Anybody who can even attempt to justify that should be put down like a rapid dog.
Also, I seriously doubt “ Diamond Dick” Dan or whatever he was known as sexually assaulted some white lady. More likely she was screwing him for his huge johnson and was caught so she feigned she was assaulted. That was common pattern in the South
Also, I seriously doubt “ Diamond Dick” Dan or whatever he was known as sexually assaulted some white lady. More likely she was screwing him for his huge johnson and was caught so she feigned she was assaulted. That was common pattern in the South
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:26 pm to Methuselah
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If I remember right, wasn't there a similar incident in Florida?
I think you are referring to Rosewood. These things were not uncommon during Reconstruction through the 20s
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:30 pm to mikelowery1911
Yeah Rosewood was just as bad
Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:44 pm to mikelowery1911
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These things were not uncommon during Reconstruction through the 20s
Opelousas Massacre of 1868 - Smithsonian Magazine
Red Summer of 1919 - Wiki Article
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 6/16/20 at 1:27 am to TutHillTiger
You consider Oklahoma to be in the south?
The girl was a 17 year old elevator operator at a department store. There were conflicting reports as one said Dick entered the elevator, tripped and fell into the girl, knocking her down, while others said he assaulted her intentionally. Whichever it was, the girl definitely got injured by Dick. That's documented. I don't remember it being sexual assault though. I know the girl ended up dropping the charges at some point.
The girl was a 17 year old elevator operator at a department store. There were conflicting reports as one said Dick entered the elevator, tripped and fell into the girl, knocking her down, while others said he assaulted her intentionally. Whichever it was, the girl definitely got injured by Dick. That's documented. I don't remember it being sexual assault though. I know the girl ended up dropping the charges at some point.
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