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re: The Top 10 Greatest Generals of All-Time - According to Mathematics
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:14 am to Tornado Alley
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:14 am to Tornado Alley
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Again, declaring war against the French empire does not always amount to invasion of mainland France, which was clearly the subject of your first statement.
So when someone declares war on you, you assume they won't invade you?
Does that make us the aggressors in World War I or II?
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:15 am to RollTide1987
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Ulysses S. Grant
Greatest American military man ever
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:15 am to Tornado Alley
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Correct - the end of Napoleon’s reign.
But still "during his reign" as you said. Live as pedant, die as a pedant.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:16 am to NYNolaguy1
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So when someone declares war on you, you assume they won't invade you?
Does that make us the aggressors in World War I or II
I assume they’d invade, but they didn’t in the Napoleonic wars
You said France was constantly invaded for ten years In the napoleonic wars. That’s not correct. What is correct is France had war declared on her many times during that span. However, only twice was France invaded. The two concepts are completely different.
Assumptions have nothing to do with the facts. France simply was not constantly invaded during the napoleonic wars, as you stated.
Again, third time, having war declared on you does not equal an invasion. Troop movement over an international border is an invasion. That’s it.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:18 am to Mo Jeaux
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But still "during his reign" as you said. Live as pedant, die as a pedant.
I thought I made clear my issue is with the guy on the first page who stayed France was invaded for ten years during the Napoleonic wars.
There is no dispute France was invaded twice at the end of Napoleon’s reign. Congrats. You have correctly stated this undisputed fact.
France did much more invading than being invaded, though. And France was not constantly invaded during Napoleon’s reign, which is my issue.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:20 am to Tornado Alley
I'm just giving you a hard time. I think you took his comment a little too literally. Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:21 am to Mo Jeaux
I have been doing that too much off TD lately. My posting in this thread doesn’t indicate so, but I’m tired from working so got dang much.
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 11:21 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:23 am to Tornado Alley
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France did much more invading than being invaded, though.
After war was declared on her.
ETA: and yes, I should have said "war declared on" rather than "invaded".
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 11:25 am
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:24 am to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:30 am to lsupride87
The best General we had in the Revolution was Arnold. It wasn’t really even close. He should of been to Washington what Jackson was to Lee. Sad and tragic for how it played out.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:33 am to Mo Jeaux
Napoleon: A Life by Andrew Robert. Tells a lot about his and Josephine's life together. Well researched
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:39 am to Lithium
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Grant violated the Geneva Convention
No he didn't.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:40 am to RollTide1987
This list is bullshite because math is racist
#2+2=5
#2+2=5
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:48 am to NYNolaguy1
Who invaded who after war was declared by a coalition of Nations seems rather petty imho. Napoleon had to act quickly so he could destroy each army separately before they could link up. Britain was also financing all these royalists to declare war.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:50 am to crazy4lsu
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No he didn't. He won battles over three theaters, made innovations regarding waging war year-round and the tempo of operations, and was the first to understand that the war would be fought differently from previous wars, and he sought a new way of combining tactical, strategic and operational elements to produce results on the battlefield.
All of that is true, but doesn’t it all rely on the fact that his situation was far superior to that of his enemy? He had far superior numbers, far superior arms, and resources which allowed him to take advantage of the situation and unlike his predecessors take it to the South.
Now would Lee have done as well if he had accepted Lincoln’s offer to lead the North when the war began? I doubt it, but wd will never really know.
It’s not like Grant inherited a losing hand. He had a winning hand and played it extremely well.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:17 pm to doubleb
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It’s not like Grant inherited a losing hand. He had a winning hand and played it extremely well.
He might have had superior numbers, but he also shaped his armies, used his numbers effectively, and did what other Union generals were not able to do with regard to Lee. His work in the Western theater or the Lower Seaboard theater didn't come with any inheritance per se. Grant's organizational skill is completely underrated, and the shape of the Union fighting forces from the end of the war is now used to imply that the Union was in the same fighting shape in beginning of the war as it was at the end, which isn't remotely true.
Grant's work in Vicksburg shows that war is far more than simply having superior numbers.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:20 pm to RollTide1987
The three greatest Generals for the US after the Korean Conflict-
1. General Electric
2. General Dynamics
3. General Motors
1. General Electric
2. General Dynamics
3. General Motors
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:33 pm to Tornado Alley
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You realize other countries only invaded France at the end of Napoleon’s reign, right?
Nah man... Europe (headed by Austria) was invading France before Napoleon took power... the first coalition formed in the early 1790s in response to the revolution.
The French were just ahead of the curve on the rest of Europe... the leve on mass mobilized the whole nation for war... Napoleon took that fully mobilized nation and kicked everyone’s arse with it.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:40 pm to crazy4lsu
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Grant's work in Vicksburg shows that war is far more than simply having superior numbers.
But Grant’s Vicksburg campaign was with superior numbers and superior resources. He did execute the campaign very well, but it wasn’t without some missteps and against a very poorly led South.
He could pretty well go where he wanted without having to worry much about southern opposition.
Posted on 8/7/20 at 12:58 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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Genghis Khan deserves a spot. He did the undoable.
Not just on the list...he should be #1 imho.
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