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re: The Top 10 Greatest Generals of All-Time - According to Mathematics

Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:55 am to
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:55 am to
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Georgy Zhukov

This dude was a beast
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:56 am to
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Grant violated the Geneva Convention


The United States was not a signatory of the Geneva Convention until 1949 and the Geneva Convention of 1864 only dealt with sick and wounded soldiers on the battlefield.

Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:58 am to
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Amazing case study of what happens when literally everyone invades you and you fight them off for a decade plus, simply because they don't like your government.


You realize other countries only invaded France at the end of Napoleon’s reign, right?
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:58 am to
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If the South had won

lol
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 10:59 am to
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Where was Napoleon’s most famous victory in France?


Toulon.

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Where is Austerlitz located? And Marengo? Arcole? Jena and Auerstedt? Borodino? Tell me, Einstein.



Huh?

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I seem to recall Napoleon taking that Grand Armee on a lot of marches and only fighting on the homefront on a couple of campaigns.


Ok. Not sure what point you're trying to make. The fact is that Napoleon had war declared on him far more than he declared war on others. There were numerous collations formed to overthrow the Revolutionary government and then his Imperial admin.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:00 am to
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You realize other countries only invaded France at the end of Napoleon’s reign, right?


Oh dear.
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:00 am to
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k. Not sure what point you're trying to make. The fact is that Napoleon had war declared on him far more than he declared war on others. There were numerous collations formed to overthrow the Revolutionary government and then his Imperial admin.



This statement is correct.

A guy on the first page indicated France had to constantly fight off invaders during Napoleon’s reign, which is verifiably incorrect.
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:01 am to
Tell me when mainland France was invaded during Napoleon’s reign.
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:03 am to
Having war declared on you =/= invasion
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:03 am to
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Grant violated the Geneva Convention and killed civilians as well as destroying their livestock, crops, and livestock.


The Geneva Convention didn't exist at the time, and Grant was the first to conceive and implement a total war strategy.

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Grant won because of the sheer number of soldiers.


No he didn't. He won battles over three theaters, made innovations regarding waging war year-round and the tempo of operations, and was the first to understand that the war would be fought differently from previous wars, and he sought a new way of combining tactical, strategic and operational elements to produce results on the battlefield.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:04 am to
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A guy on the first page indicated France had to constantly fight off invaders during Napoleon’s reign, which is verifiably incorrect.




So you're just hung up on his description of "invaders" I guess.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:05 am to
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You realize other countries only invaded France at the end of Napoleon’s reign, right?


And how many nation coalitions had declared war on him at that point?
Posted by Lithium
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:06 am to
He was impressive in the Western Theater but again he defeated the Army of Virginia by having a larger well equipped army
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:07 am to
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Tell me when mainland France was invaded during Napoleon’s reign.


1813, 1814.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:07 am to
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Having war declared on you =/= invasion





You keep doing you, man.
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:08 am to
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And how many nation coalitions had declared war on him at that point?


This has nothing to do with what you said on the first page, which is:

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Amazing case study of what happens when literally everyone invades you and you fight them off for a decade plus, simply because they don't like your government.


Again, declaring war against the French empire does not always amount to invasion of mainland France, which was clearly the subject of your first statement.
Posted by eScott
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:08 am to
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Napoleon won because of the sheer number of soldiers.


fify
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:09 am to
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1813, 1814


Correct - the end of Napoleon’s reign. My issue is with the guy on the first page who insinuated Napoleonic France was invaded for a decade. That’s just not true. Sure, France has war declared on her all the time, but France was invaded just twice during Napoleon’s reign, and both of those times were at its conclusion.
Posted by BlackPawnMartyr
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:11 am to
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Napoleon won because of the sheer number of soldiers.



He had less numbers in several battles. He did however do a better job at moving and strategically concentrating of troops due to his corps system.
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 11:54 am
Posted by Tornado Alley
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 11:11 am to
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He had less numbers in many battles. He did however do a better job at moving and hysterical concentration of troops due to his corps system.



Napoleon often moved his troops at breakneck speed in his earlier days. Stonewall Jackson was famous for rapid troop movement too.
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 11:12 am
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