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The odds that we live in a simulation are close to 1

Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:36 pm
Given how quickly our technology is advancing, and the fact that the singularity will most likely occur this century, it seems likely that at some point we will be able to create simulations containing conscious beings, however long it may take to get to that point.

A civilization capable of producing such simulations will be able to create far more simulated conscious beings than "real" conscious beings, and those simulated beings could then create their own simulations, and so on. Therefore, the odds that we live in a simulation are close to 1.

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Posted by Winston Cup
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:37 pm to
whoever is controlling my player must be bored as hell
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted by poncho villa
DALLAS
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:38 pm to
Is that why I masturbate so much?
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:38 pm to
quote:

whoever is controlling my player must be bored as hell


No one has to be controlling you. A simulation as described above would be capable of containing fully independent conscious beings.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:38 pm to
Have you ever stood and stared at it, marveled at it's beauty, it's genius? Billions of people just living out their lives, oblivious. Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost.

Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world. But I believe that as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. The perfect world would dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from. Which is why the Matrix was redesigned to this, the peak of your civilization.

I say your civilization because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization which is of course what this is all about.

Evolution, Morpheus, evolution, like the dinosaur. Look out that window. You had your time. The future is our world, Morpheus. The future is our time.

I'd like to share a revelation during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not.

You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern.

Do you know what it is?

A virus.

Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague, and we are the cure.

Can you hear me, Morpheus? I'm going to be honest with you. I hate this place, this zoo, this prison, this reality, whatever you want to call it.

I can't stand it any longer. It's the smell, if there is such a thing. I feel saturated by it. I can taste your stink. And every time I do I feel I have somehow been infected by it. It's repulsive, isn't it?

I must get out of here.

I must get free.

and in this mind is the key, my key.

Once Zion is destroyed there is no need for me to be here, don't you understand?

I need the codes.

I have to get inside Zion, and you have to tell me how.

You're going to tell me

or you're going to die.
This post was edited on 8/7/20 at 1:42 pm
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:40 pm to
I’d like to buy your book and attend your seminars. Where do I register and do you accept American Express?
Posted by yatesdog38
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Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:41 pm to
How do I make simulation not be so dumb
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:41 pm to
quote:


A civilization capable of producing such simulations will be able to create far more simulated conscious beings than "real" conscious beings, and those simulated beings could then create their own simulations, and so on. Therefore, the odds that we live in a simulation are close to 1.

How could one possibly debate such cold, hard facts?

I mean, look at all the data and information you posted...
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16484 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

it seems likely that at some point we will be able to create simulations containing conscious beings, however long it may take to get to that point.

A civilization capable of producing such simulations will be able to create far more simulated conscious beings than "real" conscious beings, and those simulated beings could then create their own simulations, and so on.


It seems like you that is quite a leap to this

quote:

Therefore, the odds that we live in a simulation are close to 1.


Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:44 pm to
I think it is more difficult to debate hot, soft, facts since there isn't any evidence of anyone doing this so there is no precedent to follow. Hot soft facts are hard to come by.
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11220 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:45 pm to
it's not a leap at all. It is almost necessarily true if civilizations are capable of creating simulations.

I'm really just quoting from Nick Bostrom's argument :

"The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage (that is, one capable of running high-fidelity ancestor simulations) is very close to zero", or

"The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running simulations of their evolutionary history, or variations thereof, is very close to zero", or

"The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one."

wikipedia link
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:47 pm to
These type of threads usually let me know that it's time to call it a day at work and go home
Posted by DavidTheGnome
Monroe
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:48 pm to
quote:

the singularity will most likely occur



What does this mean?
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:49 pm to
Your weed is too potent for you
Posted by yatesdog38
in your head rent free
Member since Sep 2013
12737 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:50 pm to
It means the plurality will not overcome the singularity's probability of occuring.
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11220 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

What does this mean?


Technological singularity

Basically, Artificial General Intelligence will make research occur so fast that groundbreaking discoveries will be happening constantly.
Posted by Konkey Dong
Member since Aug 2013
2164 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:50 pm to
Well frick whoever is controlling me for not giving me a bigger penis
Posted by Hoodie
Donaldsonville, LA
Member since Dec 2019
2990 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:51 pm to
I'm told that if you say aloud, "I know that I'm living in a simulation, and I want out!", they have to let you go.
Posted by Porcine Human
Fayetteville, Arkansas
Member since Feb 2016
11220 posts
Posted on 8/7/20 at 1:51 pm to
quote:

Your weed is too potent for you


This isn't some stoner high talk. Physicists and philosophers discuss it as a very real possibility.
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