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Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:24 pm to ducktale
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What are the applicable laws to the parents here? Let's be specific.
Apparently Michigan has a very broad definition for Involuntary Manslaughter
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Under Michigan law, the involuntary manslaughter charge filed against the parents can be pursued if authorities believe someone contributed to a situation where there was a high chance of harm or death.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:26 pm to tigerfan88
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The parents knew there was a decent possibility he would commit a mass shooting and not only did nothing to stop it but actively prevented the school from stopping it.
Now do FBI and Nikolas Cruz.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:26 pm to TDsngumbo
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That is true but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s illegal to supply a child with a gun.
Better round up every parent in Louisiana that goes hunting.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:28 pm to ducktale
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What are the applicable laws to the parents here? Let's be specific.
As I told the other one, that will be sorted out in court.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:40 pm to RebelRye
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I'd say that's a pretty obvious sign something is wrong and it was brought to the parents' attention meer hours before he shot the school up. It could have been prevented.
Why not charge the school employees who had this same information. As stated earlier, they are the ones that are in charge of and responsible for who is allowed on school property.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:42 pm to The Boat
Rifles and shotguns historically treated very different from handguns fwiw.
In this context, the parents are much more culpable by getting him a handgun than a rifle or shotgun. Especially if you could prove the shotgun or rifle was purchased with hunting in mind.
The charge isn’t “giving a minor gun,” it’s that they contributed to the deaths of the victims through criminally negligent conduct. Which takes a lot more factors into account
In this context, the parents are much more culpable by getting him a handgun than a rifle or shotgun. Especially if you could prove the shotgun or rifle was purchased with hunting in mind.
The charge isn’t “giving a minor gun,” it’s that they contributed to the deaths of the victims through criminally negligent conduct. Which takes a lot more factors into account
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:43 pm to stout
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I don't disagree but I still think its a slippery slope where emotions over logic will be the deciding factor since it's a school shooting.
Welcome to the new normal.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:44 pm to novabill
The way the story is being reported now is that it was the parents decision for him to remain or not. Idk Michigan educational law so idk how true that is.
Regardless it’s the fact that there’s about 8 different pieces of “evidence against the parents.”
They bought him the handgun for Christmas.
He got in trouble regarding the gun (looking at ammunition on his phone) and they told him to hide it instead of taking precautions.
They were called into the school and basically told their son was contemplating a mess shooting.
They didn’t mention they had bought him a handgun three days earlier. In fact, it sounds like they tried to spin it like the gun was bought for the dad and the son stole it. When in actuality it’s very clearly that they bought and gave it to the son.
They refused to allow him to be sent home.
Regardless it’s the fact that there’s about 8 different pieces of “evidence against the parents.”
They bought him the handgun for Christmas.
He got in trouble regarding the gun (looking at ammunition on his phone) and they told him to hide it instead of taking precautions.
They were called into the school and basically told their son was contemplating a mess shooting.
They didn’t mention they had bought him a handgun three days earlier. In fact, it sounds like they tried to spin it like the gun was bought for the dad and the son stole it. When in actuality it’s very clearly that they bought and gave it to the son.
They refused to allow him to be sent home.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:46 pm to stout
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Under Michigan law, the involuntary manslaughter charge filed against the parents can be pursued if authorities believe someone contributed to a situation where there was a high chance of harm or death.
LOL that's fricking easy. How many school shootings are there vs how many parents give their kids access to guns?
If you can't judge "high chance" based on statistics then what can you judge it on?
Now obviously a jury can ignore that and vote on emotion, but the facts are clear.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:47 pm to stout
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Under Michigan law, the involuntary manslaughter charge filed against the parents can be pursued if authorities believe someone contributed to a situation where there was a high chance of harm or death.
That is a very broad statement. Think about all the things that had to happen for the event to occur. Many of them are mundane and ridiculous but when taken literally the event would not have happened without their contribution.
Who opened the school that day? Who was the cashier that sold the gun or the backpack?
Unless is there is some specific definition of the word "contributed" then this is going to be a wild ride through the courts.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:48 pm to hikingfan
Did the black kid in Texas parents, or lack there of get charged with anything?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:51 pm to stout
quote:idk, I am not a lawyer nor am I versed in Michigan law but it seems like there has to be some negligence there. From a purely moral standpoint I believe they are responsible for murder and they should probably just off themselves. They are scum.
Does that come across as involuntary manslaughter to you?
This wasn’t an 8 year old making a creepy drawing. It was a 15 year old loner freak in crisis and his parents knew he had access to a gun.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 6:59 pm to The Boat
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Better round up every parent in Louisiana that goes hunting.
Most every jurisdiction in the US has very specific laws about minor gun possession and AFAIK they all include allowances for target shooting and game hunting which normally require direct supervision by someone either 18/21 or older.
Rittenhouse avoided the minor gun charge because as a result of a change in the law years ago it left the statute saying something not intended by the legislature.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:00 pm to hikingfan
I mean, I had access to guns as a teen, but my dad always kept a good eye on me. However, I could easily see things spiraling out of control with teenagers and guns if they are left unsupervised.
If the parents had the gun in the house and he stole it, that's one thing. But they gave him the gun, knew he was cray, and knew he was threatening to shoot people.
I am A-OK with them doing some hard time.
If the parents had the gun in the house and he stole it, that's one thing. But they gave him the gun, knew he was cray, and knew he was threatening to shoot people.
I am A-OK with them doing some hard time.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:02 pm to dgnx6
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Kill the kid and throw the parents in jail for life.
Would you also say this for a minority kid with minority parents?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:04 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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his wasn’t an 8 year old making a creepy drawing. It was a 15 year old loner freak in crisis
Better start rounding up every teenager with angst that is jamming emo music and making stupid statements like "my life is useless"
Again, it's easy to judge all of this after the fact, but do you know how many kids say shite like this on a daily basis?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:05 pm to Obtuse1
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Most every jurisdiction in the US has very specific laws about minor gun possession and AFAIK
Link to the ones for Michigan and Louisiana?
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:09 pm to MardiGrasCajun
She can prosecute my penis.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 7:10 pm to RebelRye
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Teacher reported a disturbing note on Ethan's desk, including the following: Semiautomatic handgun pointing at a note: “The thoughts won’t stop, help me” Bullet with “Blood everywhere” written above it Drawing of a person appearing to be shot and bleeding Notes reading, "My life is useless" and "The world is dead"
In Bold. If this happened, then how did this happen:
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School officials recommend that Ethan is sent home for the day; his parents refuse, and send him back to class
… And the kid still have the gun. Parents are not the only one’s at fault here. That kid shouldn’t have been let back in school without being searched.
Also, the principal or whoever said parents didn’t inquire about the gun. Well, why in the frick was it not taken from him in the first place by administration?
That doesn’t make a lick of sense how the boy was allowed back in school with a weapon.
Smells fishy.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 7:14 pm
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