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The Future of Relationships between Men and Women? Is An All Out Gender War Inevitable?
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:43 pm
And I don't mean just some sort of cultural gender war. I mean a genuine all out conflict between Men and Women. I know the reaction from many on here will be to just laugh at this, but please hear me out. FAIR WARNING, long post ahead, deal with it.
The evidence is everywhere that men and women are growing further and further apart with each generation. Let's look at the facts:
- Marriage rates are collapsing in most developed countries. Only 47% of U.S. households were married couples in 2025.
- The vast majority of Western Countries and Asian Countries now have birth rates far below the generally accepted replacement rate of around 2.1.
- As of 2025, unmarried men between 20 - 39 double the amount of married men here in the U.S. While I don't have statistics, we know the amount of unmarried women has gone up as well.
- For those women who do marry, they are marrying much later in life. As of 2025, the average age of a woman marrying is right around 30. This contributes to also having far less children on average.
- Men and Women are growing apart politically, especially among Gen Z. Gen Z men are more likely now to be MAGA and on the far right and hold some misogynistic views. Meanwhile, Gen Z women are far more likely now to be on the left, if not fully socialistic, and have some more misandrist views.
We can see the breakdown happening now. It was already starting before MeToo, but MeToo really opened the flood gates. Men and Women were already starting to not trust each other before. MeToo changed the game of dating and relationships, but never established what the new rules were.
MeToo was about "putting the bad men in their place", but in reality, all MeToo did was chase off the actual good men. Here's the thing, women wanted to label all men during that era as "toxic" or "predators". Women during that time wanted to label all men as being "creepy" if they approached. The actual scumbag men, the ones who are predatory and creepy, aren't going to care one bit about social norms. They are typically too self-centered to care. The men who are now turned off to approaching women at the risk of "being creepy" are the men that women actually want to approach. And of course now women say things like "where have all the good men gone?". Well you chased them away, have fun dealing with the actual creepy guys.
This has created a self-confirmation bias though. In the post MeToo world, it's far more likely that the men that women are interacting with in bars and at the clubs are going to be your predators, your "creepy guys". So because of this, more and more women, especially the younger Gen Z women, are largely only seeing the guys who are creepy and predators. And it's re-confirming a false bias for women, which is that all men are predators and creeps. That all men would absolutely r*pe and abuse women if they could.
The online world has made things worse as well. The influx of toxic information has damaged human connection and expectations. You have radical feminist and manosphere influencers on both sides making money from keeping their side enraged.
We are just now starting to see the results of this. And it goes far deeper than just falling marriage rates and a falling reproduction rate
- With less people, programs like social security will fail, as there will not be enough people to cover those who have retired. You will see massive shortages in health care and other industries.
- Industries that rely on marriage and children, including event spaces and the education industry, will greatly suffer.
- It's already established that married men and married women outlive their single counterparts.
- With more single women, you will have more mental health issues. With more single men, you will have more loneliness issues and more risky behavior.
- With more men and women staying single, they will stop even trying to develop their lives. No need to buy a house or get that promotion.
- With more men and more women staying single, participation in civil duties such as public service, military, police, fire/rescue, religion and other civic organizations will greatly drop.
But it gets deeper than even that. If this trend continues, you will see men and women continue to drift further and further apart. You are already seeing it in politics, where Gen Z men and woman are far apart. This has flowed over into dating, where liberal Gen Z women will refuse to date conservative Gen Z men.
Due to politics and the skewed dating market, women are considering 80% of the men to be "below average". More and more women will either become lesbian, or be in a polyamorous or "side piece" relationship with one of the top 20% of men.
When this happens, more and more men will simply give up and withdraw from society. But you will also see more and more men become gay.
As gay and lesbian rates increase, it will become more popular for these couples to have a child of their own sex. So you'll have young girls who will be raised by two mom's. You'll have young boys who will be raised by two dad's.
For the daughters of lesbian couples, they will have no father figure. So men will be even more of a danger to them. Those daughters will be more likely to be lesbian themselves and have next to no interaction with men. The same with sons of gay couples, they will have no mother figure. So the information they will get about women will be from the manosphere, and they will be more likely to be gay, having next to no interaction with women.
Besides an increase in gay and lesbian rates, men will increasingly turn to vices such as p*rn, gambling, drugs, gaming, drinking and soon AI companions and AI girlfriends. Women will increasingly do the same. This will further isolate men and women into different societies altogether.
Men I think will do okay in this setup, but I don't think women will. You could argue AI will make both sides obsolete, but I think AI girlfriends will make women obsolete quicker than AI boyfriends will make men obsolete. Men will thrive more being single, women will struggle being single.
When this happens, I can't see women just accepting it. They'll try to ban AI companions. They'll try to ban video games. I think they will absolutely try to force men back into marriage to "take care" of the women.
We all know most men just want to be left alone, and men will try their best to do that. But if women try to take away men's independence, which is what I fear will happen, that is when I see an all out gender war happening.
It'll be destructive and it isn't necessarily a guaranteed victory for men, as it will mostly be fought by drones and AI. And it'll sadly be a case where either men will win and women will become subservient, or women will win and men will become subservient.
I'm not saying this is happening tomorrow. Anyone 50 and over probably won't ever see it. I think this is still some time away. But I definitely think younger millennials and Gen Z and Gen Alpha will live to see an all out gender war.
Thoughts on this possibility? I know this board tends to skew male, but for the female posters on this site, I would like to hear your thoughts as well.
The evidence is everywhere that men and women are growing further and further apart with each generation. Let's look at the facts:
- Marriage rates are collapsing in most developed countries. Only 47% of U.S. households were married couples in 2025.
- The vast majority of Western Countries and Asian Countries now have birth rates far below the generally accepted replacement rate of around 2.1.
- As of 2025, unmarried men between 20 - 39 double the amount of married men here in the U.S. While I don't have statistics, we know the amount of unmarried women has gone up as well.
- For those women who do marry, they are marrying much later in life. As of 2025, the average age of a woman marrying is right around 30. This contributes to also having far less children on average.
- Men and Women are growing apart politically, especially among Gen Z. Gen Z men are more likely now to be MAGA and on the far right and hold some misogynistic views. Meanwhile, Gen Z women are far more likely now to be on the left, if not fully socialistic, and have some more misandrist views.
We can see the breakdown happening now. It was already starting before MeToo, but MeToo really opened the flood gates. Men and Women were already starting to not trust each other before. MeToo changed the game of dating and relationships, but never established what the new rules were.
MeToo was about "putting the bad men in their place", but in reality, all MeToo did was chase off the actual good men. Here's the thing, women wanted to label all men during that era as "toxic" or "predators". Women during that time wanted to label all men as being "creepy" if they approached. The actual scumbag men, the ones who are predatory and creepy, aren't going to care one bit about social norms. They are typically too self-centered to care. The men who are now turned off to approaching women at the risk of "being creepy" are the men that women actually want to approach. And of course now women say things like "where have all the good men gone?". Well you chased them away, have fun dealing with the actual creepy guys.
This has created a self-confirmation bias though. In the post MeToo world, it's far more likely that the men that women are interacting with in bars and at the clubs are going to be your predators, your "creepy guys". So because of this, more and more women, especially the younger Gen Z women, are largely only seeing the guys who are creepy and predators. And it's re-confirming a false bias for women, which is that all men are predators and creeps. That all men would absolutely r*pe and abuse women if they could.
The online world has made things worse as well. The influx of toxic information has damaged human connection and expectations. You have radical feminist and manosphere influencers on both sides making money from keeping their side enraged.
We are just now starting to see the results of this. And it goes far deeper than just falling marriage rates and a falling reproduction rate
- With less people, programs like social security will fail, as there will not be enough people to cover those who have retired. You will see massive shortages in health care and other industries.
- Industries that rely on marriage and children, including event spaces and the education industry, will greatly suffer.
- It's already established that married men and married women outlive their single counterparts.
- With more single women, you will have more mental health issues. With more single men, you will have more loneliness issues and more risky behavior.
- With more men and women staying single, they will stop even trying to develop their lives. No need to buy a house or get that promotion.
- With more men and more women staying single, participation in civil duties such as public service, military, police, fire/rescue, religion and other civic organizations will greatly drop.
But it gets deeper than even that. If this trend continues, you will see men and women continue to drift further and further apart. You are already seeing it in politics, where Gen Z men and woman are far apart. This has flowed over into dating, where liberal Gen Z women will refuse to date conservative Gen Z men.
Due to politics and the skewed dating market, women are considering 80% of the men to be "below average". More and more women will either become lesbian, or be in a polyamorous or "side piece" relationship with one of the top 20% of men.
When this happens, more and more men will simply give up and withdraw from society. But you will also see more and more men become gay.
As gay and lesbian rates increase, it will become more popular for these couples to have a child of their own sex. So you'll have young girls who will be raised by two mom's. You'll have young boys who will be raised by two dad's.
For the daughters of lesbian couples, they will have no father figure. So men will be even more of a danger to them. Those daughters will be more likely to be lesbian themselves and have next to no interaction with men. The same with sons of gay couples, they will have no mother figure. So the information they will get about women will be from the manosphere, and they will be more likely to be gay, having next to no interaction with women.
Besides an increase in gay and lesbian rates, men will increasingly turn to vices such as p*rn, gambling, drugs, gaming, drinking and soon AI companions and AI girlfriends. Women will increasingly do the same. This will further isolate men and women into different societies altogether.
Men I think will do okay in this setup, but I don't think women will. You could argue AI will make both sides obsolete, but I think AI girlfriends will make women obsolete quicker than AI boyfriends will make men obsolete. Men will thrive more being single, women will struggle being single.
When this happens, I can't see women just accepting it. They'll try to ban AI companions. They'll try to ban video games. I think they will absolutely try to force men back into marriage to "take care" of the women.
We all know most men just want to be left alone, and men will try their best to do that. But if women try to take away men's independence, which is what I fear will happen, that is when I see an all out gender war happening.
It'll be destructive and it isn't necessarily a guaranteed victory for men, as it will mostly be fought by drones and AI. And it'll sadly be a case where either men will win and women will become subservient, or women will win and men will become subservient.
I'm not saying this is happening tomorrow. Anyone 50 and over probably won't ever see it. I think this is still some time away. But I definitely think younger millennials and Gen Z and Gen Alpha will live to see an all out gender war.
Thoughts on this possibility? I know this board tends to skew male, but for the female posters on this site, I would like to hear your thoughts as well.
This post was edited on 8/30/26 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:47 pm to TheMagicMan
I ain’t reading all that
I’m happy for you tho
Or sorry that happened.
I’m happy for you tho
Or sorry that happened.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:49 pm to TheMagicMan
Men crave women. Women crave men. It’ll either sort itself out or it won’t.
Go make babies. Raise them in a loving and healthy household. Encourage them to do the same.
Go to church. Take your children to church.
My daughter is actually married to a kid she met at church when she was seven. Give your kids “normal” people to be around.
Go make babies. Raise them in a loving and healthy household. Encourage them to do the same.
Go to church. Take your children to church.
My daughter is actually married to a kid she met at church when she was seven. Give your kids “normal” people to be around.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:51 pm to OldmanBeasley
Another thing I think is going to happen. As lesbian and gay couples increase, again when they have children or adopt they will be far more likely to choose their own kind. So a lesbian couple is going to try for a girl or adopt a girl. A gay couple is going to get a surrogate mother for a boy or adopt a boy.
I think we're about to see China's previous 1 child policy on steroids. And we're already seeing it in Massachusetts with the Lindsay Clancy case. That is what they want for all 50 states. Abortion up to birth.
Think about it, probably almost all lesbian couples, if the baby turns out to be a boy, will simply abort the boy. Maybe not as many, but still the vast majority of gay couples, if the baby turns out to be girl, will ask the surrogate mother to abort. And if the surrogate mother doesn't abort the girl, the gay couple will simply give her up at birth.
All of this will start the process of creating two separate societies. One for men and one for women, with minimal to no overlap. And once men can "other" women and women can "other" men, it's game on, including even an all out conflict.
I think we're about to see China's previous 1 child policy on steroids. And we're already seeing it in Massachusetts with the Lindsay Clancy case. That is what they want for all 50 states. Abortion up to birth.
Think about it, probably almost all lesbian couples, if the baby turns out to be a boy, will simply abort the boy. Maybe not as many, but still the vast majority of gay couples, if the baby turns out to be girl, will ask the surrogate mother to abort. And if the surrogate mother doesn't abort the girl, the gay couple will simply give her up at birth.
All of this will start the process of creating two separate societies. One for men and one for women, with minimal to no overlap. And once men can "other" women and women can "other" men, it's game on, including even an all out conflict.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:53 pm to TheMagicMan
quote:
Is An All Out Gender War Inevitable?
No.
Fricking relax and stop being one of the creepy dudes.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:57 pm to TheMagicMan
quote:Found your problem
We all know most men just want to be left alone
Posted on 8/30/26 at 6:59 pm to TheMagicMan
ETA: This is the only copy I could find of the classic last panel. I don't know why it's reversed (perhaps someone had a negative view of it)
If you can't make it out, it's a parody of Lee at Appamattox
This post was edited on 8/30/26 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:00 pm to SallysHuman
quote:
Men crave women. Women crave men. It’ll either sort itself out or it won’t.
I agree it'll work itself out. But it's going to get a lot worse and I think war may be the only way it does work itself out. And one side isn't going to like the result.
The whole "men crave women" and "women crave men" is becoming less and less. Women are less interested in Men than at any other time in history. With women being more financially independent, many don't see the point of being in a relationship or marriage with a man.
On the other side, Men are less interested in Women than at any other time in history. Dating for men is more dangerous than any before and women ironically bring less to the table than they ever have before.
This is causing a shift where men don't really need to interact with women and women don't really need to interact with men.
You even see it in bars, in clubs, or even at tailgates from sports events. The women stay with each other in groups and don't dare to interact with any man there. And the men stay with each other in groups and don't dare to interact with any woman there.
quote:
Go make babies. Raise them in a loving and healthy household. Encourage them to do the same.
Due to the economy and inflation, right or wrong, more men and women than ever before don't see having a family as economically viable, so they aren't even trying. Again birth rates are going down fast and I think you'll see a real collapse in birth rates (easily below 1.0 per couple, well below 2.1 replacement rate) in the next 10 years.
quote:
Go to church. Take your children to church.
Church attendance has gone down for 40 years now. Very few Millennials and Gen Z attend church on a regular basis. Sundays revolving around church is not a big part of the social fabric anymore. And all trends show that continuing. We are become a more "spiritual" society where we may believe in God, but do not feel the need to be a part of a Church community.
quote:
My daughter is actually married to a kid she met at church when she was seven. Give your kids “normal” people to be around.
That is very much the exception, not the rule. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic grade school and Catholic high school. I was around plenty of girls, never really did anything with them once I got to college. Had a casual relationship with two in high school but nothing came of it.
And remember, more and more boys and girls who are raised religious leave that religion when they become adults. I'm a cradle Catholic, but maybe go to church 5 - 6 times a year. It's just not a big part of my life.
The whole "meet someone at church" idea is hopelessly out of date at this point. It's a nice idea and thought, but it's not realistic for most people.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:02 pm to funnystuff
quote:
Found your problem
Almost every man wants to largely just be left alone. Men are not socially oriented the way Women are.
I'm not saying men don't want to communicate with anyone ever. But for the most part, they just want family and a few close friends. And most men want nothing to do with the drama that a lot of women bring.
And I'm not trying to blame all women. I get that a lot of women don't want drama either. But women are more socially oriented and have bigger friend groups, and that alone makes the more prone to have drama. Most men simply don't want that.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:02 pm to TheMagicMan
quote:
Is An All Out Gender War Inevitable?
And I don't mean just some sort of cultural gender war. I mean a genuine all out conflict between Men and Women.
Of course not.
Are you retarded?
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:04 pm to TheMagicMan
Sorry, I fail to see the attraction of the modern, liberal woman…


This post was edited on 8/30/26 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:05 pm to TheMagicMan
quote:
Is An All Out Gender War Inevitable?
Some of you “men” need to stop acting like women
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:06 pm to TheMagicMan
Let me ask you all this. Let's say the future happens how we think it will.
AI companions, especially AI girlfriends, will probably be a thing within 5 years. I'm not talking about the Chatbot experience we have now. I'm talking about being able to actually purpose a robot designed to your specifications and having your AI girlfriend downloaded to that robot.
From the guys perspective, they'll be able to create their perfect girlfriend and/or wife.
This is going to take all but probably the top 10% of men out of the dating market. This will leave tens of millions of women single and with a simple choice, go the AI boyfriend route themselves or stay single.
When this happens, will women simply let men truly go their own way?
I would hope they would, but I don't see it happening. We already are seeing women wanting to give AI companions "rights" (even though there is no sign of true intelligence as of yet).
The government will see men going their own way and leaving the plantation. We all know the government can't have that. We have to have men married and in the prison we design for them. We can't have men being on their own and actually being happy.
There are women already saying that men don't have the right to be happy without a woman.
What do you think will happen when government most likely inevitably bans AI girlfriends and millions of guys lose their perfect girlfriend and/or wife companion overnight?
AI companions, especially AI girlfriends, will probably be a thing within 5 years. I'm not talking about the Chatbot experience we have now. I'm talking about being able to actually purpose a robot designed to your specifications and having your AI girlfriend downloaded to that robot.
From the guys perspective, they'll be able to create their perfect girlfriend and/or wife.
This is going to take all but probably the top 10% of men out of the dating market. This will leave tens of millions of women single and with a simple choice, go the AI boyfriend route themselves or stay single.
When this happens, will women simply let men truly go their own way?
I would hope they would, but I don't see it happening. We already are seeing women wanting to give AI companions "rights" (even though there is no sign of true intelligence as of yet).
The government will see men going their own way and leaving the plantation. We all know the government can't have that. We have to have men married and in the prison we design for them. We can't have men being on their own and actually being happy.
There are women already saying that men don't have the right to be happy without a woman.
What do you think will happen when government most likely inevitably bans AI girlfriends and millions of guys lose their perfect girlfriend and/or wife companion overnight?
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:08 pm to TheMagicMan
quote:
Another thing I think is going to happen. As lesbian and gay couples increase, again when they have children or adopt they will be far more likely to choose their own kind. So a lesbian couple is going to try for a girl or adopt a girl. A gay couple is going to get a surrogate mother for a boy or adopt a boy.
I think we're about to see China's previous 1 child policy on steroids. And we're already seeing it in Massachusetts with the Lindsay Clancy case. That is what they want for all 50 states. Abortion up to birth.
Think about it, probably almost all lesbian couples, if the baby turns out to be a boy, will simply abort the boy. Maybe not as many, but still the vast majority of gay couples, if the baby turns out to be girl, will ask the surrogate mother to abort. And if the surrogate mother doesn't abort the girl, the gay couple will simply give her up at birth.
All of this will start the process of creating two separate societies. One for men and one for women, with minimal to no overlap. And once men can "other" women and women can "other" men, it's game on, including even an all out conflict.
Your imagination is impressive.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:08 pm to TheMagicMan
Women DO crave men… and not just for financial support reasons. Men crave women for more than sexual reasons I would think. Humans are hardwired to crave companionship.
Young women are a bit brainwashed- which is why we need good families raising good kids and actively combatting the bullshite narratives.
All ANY of us can do is improve our little corner of the world and be a great example to others.
Get married, have kids, stay married. That’s all I’ve got.
Young women are a bit brainwashed- which is why we need good families raising good kids and actively combatting the bullshite narratives.
All ANY of us can do is improve our little corner of the world and be a great example to others.
Get married, have kids, stay married. That’s all I’ve got.
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:09 pm to RichJ
Now what do you think is going to happen when the government attempts to force millions of men to marry millions of women who look like this?
You know it's coming. The government can't have men being happy while supporting millions of "women" like this.
And you don't think there's a real chance of a war happening because of that? I'll gladly fight in a war and die before I would even talk to a "thing" like that.
This post was edited on 8/30/26 at 7:10 pm
Posted on 8/30/26 at 7:11 pm to TheMagicMan
quote:
But if women try to take away men's independence, which is what I fear will happen, that is when I see an all out gender war happening.
It'll be destructive and it isn't necessarily a guaranteed victory for men, as it will mostly be fought by drones and AI. And it'll sadly be a case where either men will win and women will become subservient, or women will win and men will become subservient.
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