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re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)
Posted on 10/1/22 at 1:26 am to EarlyCuyler3
Posted on 10/1/22 at 1:26 am to EarlyCuyler3
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I turned down running it twice or three times twice yesterday. Lost to a one outer for quads and a 2 outer for a straight flush.
I won my way into a WPT event back when internet poker was a thing. Paradise poker paid my flight, hotel, and entry fee into the Foxwoods event.
My first four hands were full houses. I couldn’t lose. I was as high as 2nd on the board.
They moved me after lunch to a table with a pro. Young Phan. He wasn’t even a big pro. He was to my left and I might as well have been showing him my cards. I was out before day 1 was over.
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Posted on 10/1/22 at 1:27 am to Open Your Eyes
You are missing the point
Its just not fair that she bet with a better hand
He should have won with a worse hand because reasons
Its just not fair that she bet with a better hand
He should have won with a worse hand because reasons
Posted on 10/1/22 at 2:05 am to Caraway Rye
This is what I don't get about Poker People. The only thing that matters is who ends up with the chips. I don't give a shite if the bet was technically good or bad according to the odds. If you win the hand and the chips then you win.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 2:15 am to Caraway Rye
quote:
He should have won with a worse hand because reasons
That’s exactly what the morons in this thread that “know poker” are arguing
If the river had been a jack or club or 9 or anything else that meant the guy won, this thread, the internet outrage, and the multiple pages of self-pitty bullshite in iPhone notes don’t even exist.
But since the random unknown card in the game of chance that was flipped over meant the person that made the stupid bet won, cheating is the only possible explanation.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 2:42 am to Open Your Eyes
This is why I don't bother to explain things to most people. You can break it down and explain it well and still a lot of people are too stupid to get it
Posted on 10/1/22 at 3:12 am to PeteRose
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So player A cheat to get in a 50/50 situation to win or lose. If player B would've won, he would've kept all the money. But player A ends up winning and gives player B his money back?
So player A cheated but player B was on a free roll. Twilight zone stuff here.
That's nowhere close to what happened here.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 3:55 am to EarlyCuyler3
I don’t understand how this guy could think she’s cheating. Even if someone had a device to alert her that she had the best hand, that guy was on a straight draw, a flush draw, and a straight flush draw. whoever would be alerting would tell her to fold to the draws.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 4:10 am to jbgleason
quote:Amazing analysis there, bud.
If you win the hand and the chips then you win.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 4:39 am to PeteRose
Without knowing the surrounding context and his style of play, it did seem suspicious. Calling his all-in with nothing but J-high and no draw is utter insanity. Too many hands (even semi-bluffing hands) have you beat.
Even if he has a reputation of being a notorious bluffer, it’s still an extremely foolish call to make with J-high. If she’d had AK, AQ, an under-pair, or heck…even just an A, I would be applauding her.
But that was either cheating or just pure luck, which is of course part of the game, but doesn’t make her play a good one.
Apparently, he became suspicious when her explanation of why she called didn’t make sense. Something about her saying if her J wasn’t a club, then she would’ve folded on the turn, which doesn’t make any sense because she’d already missed a flush.
Even if he has a reputation of being a notorious bluffer, it’s still an extremely foolish call to make with J-high. If she’d had AK, AQ, an under-pair, or heck…even just an A, I would be applauding her.
But that was either cheating or just pure luck, which is of course part of the game, but doesn’t make her play a good one.
Apparently, he became suspicious when her explanation of why she called didn’t make sense. Something about her saying if her J wasn’t a club, then she would’ve folded on the turn, which doesn’t make any sense because she’d already missed a flush.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 5:50 am to UGATiger26
I think there was another part where she said she thought she had a J-3 when she had a J-4, and then casually admitted she didn't remember what she had in her hand. This plus the odd play stoked the cheating fire.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 5:51 am to UGATiger26
quote:I assume she's saying her J was a blocker to other flushes
if her J wasn’t a club, then she would’ve folded on the turn, which doesn’t make any sense because she’d already missed a flush.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 5:58 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 6:16 am
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:18 am to UGATiger26
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Calling his all-in with nothing but J-high and no draw is utter insanity. Too many hands (even semi-bluffing hands) have you beat.
It was the winning hand
So
It wasnt insane
Sounds like the moron dude was insane betting with a losing hand.
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 6:19 am
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:21 am to Caraway Rye
quote:
It was the winning hand
So
It wasnt insane
This is not only stupidity of the highest order, it was delivered with such conviction.
Poker was always a good reminder of how stupid many people are and how confident they are in that stupidity.
Irrational confidence was very +EV for my poker career.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:23 am to Hold That Tiger 10
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Hold That Tiger 10
Been playing lately?
I haven't been in years.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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Poker was always a good reminder of how stupid many people are and how confident they are in that stupidity.
True
A pro just had a temper tantrum because he didnt get the cards he wanted and then cried about cheating because of it
Pathetic
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:32 am to PeteRose
I get her raising to see if she could bluff him off of a draw but calling all in with J high was pretty bad. Even if she put him on a draw, he could’ve been drawing to the high end of the straight with a QJ. If he had a 10 he would’ve milked it rather than try to push her all in. At best, your calling an all in against somebody that represented a straight or flush draw with at least one card higher than J.
That said, it’s always funny to me to see somebody bitch about another player making a bad call when they’re in there bluffing on a draw that doesn’t pan out. Maybe he’d been bluffing with shite the whole game and got caught. Who knows…
That said, it’s always funny to me to see somebody bitch about another player making a bad call when they’re in there bluffing on a draw that doesn’t pan out. Maybe he’d been bluffing with shite the whole game and got caught. Who knows…
This post was edited on 10/1/22 at 6:46 am
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:36 am to SlowFlowPro
I mean I don't know either player but if she came from an online poker background I could see her reasoning. When I played online a ton of people would bluff with high card if they were the chip leader just to get people to fold early.
These were in money games as well as free games played and it happened way more than it should have. Wonder if this is like the chess guy and we are accusing of using anal technology to alert cards
These were in money games as well as free games played and it happened way more than it should have. Wonder if this is like the chess guy and we are accusing of using anal technology to alert cards
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:38 am to Caraway Rye
There are many ways to cheat even on a live stream. There’s something you could buy called an RFID reader that will tell you the results of the hand. Someone could of hacked into the feed and provided her perfect information through a device on her. The dealer could have a high pitch and she saw his card or someone else did (RIP) and signaled her. Not saying any of these are what happened, just potential ways of cheating on a live stream.
For the new/non poker players, this j4 call was awful. She been getting poker training from Faraz Jaka, so it’s hard to make the argument she’s just an amateur who doesn’t understand the magnitude of how bad that call was. I’m not saying she’s not still an amateur, but she’s a studied amateur. Her explanation and changing story about thinking she had a 3 makes it seem possible foul play was involved.
From Garrett’s perspective, he 100% believes he was cheated or he wouldn’t have taken the money.
Just going to have to sit back and let the investigation take place.
For the new/non poker players, this j4 call was awful. She been getting poker training from Faraz Jaka, so it’s hard to make the argument she’s just an amateur who doesn’t understand the magnitude of how bad that call was. I’m not saying she’s not still an amateur, but she’s a studied amateur. Her explanation and changing story about thinking she had a 3 makes it seem possible foul play was involved.
From Garrett’s perspective, he 100% believes he was cheated or he wouldn’t have taken the money.
Just going to have to sit back and let the investigation take place.
Posted on 10/1/22 at 6:40 am to jbgleason
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This is what I don't get about Poker People. The only thing that matters is who ends up with the chips
If you read the losers notes on the situation, he may be right that she cheated, simply because she gave it back…ie she didn’t end up with the chips.
If we are just going off the video in a vacuum, I completely agree that’s just the game. But she decides to give it back after the fact when he reveals his work doing Alan from the Hangover math.
I mean she called pretty early while there were still chances. Easily could have stuck to her guns but gave it back? To a very accomplished player? If any of this won this hand purely on luck of the draw, no way we give it back, but she does after being confronted. Very weird.
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