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re: St.George haters getting caught in lies again
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:39 am to Tigersonfire
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:39 am to Tigersonfire
quote:I agree with this. That area of town has a ton of families that would send their kids to private school, regardless of how good the public school system is. Then you have the older individuals who are very financially stable and would rather stick with the status quo than take a chance on St. George working out. These people don't want the certainty of increased taxes with the uncertainty of how much of a benefit they will actually receive. The fuzzy financials of the St. George budget isn't helping either.
What you are seriously misjudging is the silent opponents.
I'm a big proponent of St. George and have already voted for it, but this may not be the slam dunk many people in here think it will be.
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:39 am to mindbreaker
The budget proposed has been shown to be largely inaccurate by whom?? C’mon man- our yourself as a shill for SWB. At least I’d have some respect for you.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:52 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:57 am to mindbreaker
quote:
So tell me where I'm wrong. The budget proposed has already shown to be largely inaccurate. The police budget has already shown to be completely inadequate from ST. George estimates. No plan for roads or infrastructure at all which is badly needed. Who handles water, sewer, garbage since I'm on BRwater services right now? We are just going to assume they keep us going after a contentious split. Can we just spring that service up from the middle of nowhere?
The plan to improve roads and infrastructure was voted on and passed last year. You have never heard of MovEBR? Where have you been?
Law enforcement will mainly be through the sheriff who provides services now. SG will have a token PD, but will rely on the sheriff just as they do now. The intention though is not for a standstill plan, but to pony up additional dollars to increase protection.
The parish picks up garbage. We pay a monthly fee for that. That service won’t change.
Water is NOT provided by the government now. Parish Water Works is a private company. You pay them every month. That won’t change.
Sewer is another parish service. You pay a fee for that too. That’s not changing.
You really don’t understand how things work do you?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:59 am to Tigersonfire
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In any vote you hear from the few outspoken in this case it's the nuts that is for it. What you are seriously misjudging is the silent opponents. I'd hold off on your huge bets or you may just be holding your dick in your hand like the Dems did in 2016.
I'll gladly take bets. I crunched the numbers a while back and if those that signed the petition get an 80% turnout (high, yes, but what's the point in signing if you aren't going to vote?), they simply need 1 out of every 4 votes to win. Not a chance there is that kind of opposition to it. The area is also, what, 80% republican? Good luck getting 3 out of 4 non-signers to side with the Mayor.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 7:59 am to doubleb
You know who really stands to benefit from this?
Parish-wide agencies like the EBR Library system, BREC, EMS, and even the Council on Aging.
Of course none of those agencies would ever publicly support St. George, but they'll all see a boon.
Parish-wide agencies like the EBR Library system, BREC, EMS, and even the Council on Aging.
Of course none of those agencies would ever publicly support St. George, but they'll all see a boon.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:03 am to Bayou_Tiger_225
quote:
These people don't want the certainty of increased taxes with the uncertainty of how much of a benefit they will actually receive. The fuzzy financials of the St. George budget isn't helping either.
I mean, when the EBR government came out and stated that with the current tax structure St. George will
Operate with an $8,000,000 surplus and not a $14,000,000 it told me all
I needed to know. Even the opponents think there will be more than enough money, and as business, families, and other revenue streams enter the city, the money will
Increase without needing to raise taxes.
Also, I don’t think people are necessarily against increased taxes if it meant actual return on investment and work getting done.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:06 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
Also, I don’t think people are necessarily against increased taxes if it meant actual return on investment and work getting done.
This.
If my tax dollars actually do something and don’t end up lost in NBR or in the COA slush fund, I don’t mind paying higher taxes to have a really nice area to live.
The reality of St. George is that it either passes and keeps the parish from fully collapsing for at least another couple decades or it fails and speeds the collapse because it’ll be like a prison break if it fails.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:06 am to LSUBoo
quote:
You know who really stands to benefit from this?
Parish-wide agencies like the EBR Library system, BREC, EMS, and even the Council on Aging.
Of course none of those agencies would ever publicly support St. George, but they'll all see a boon.
You expect to see a large increase in property values?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:08 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:
Also, I don’t think people are necessarily against increased taxes if it meant actual return on investment and work getting done
Bingo!
The residents have been paying a ton of taxes already and still see marginal returns, particularly a school system which isn't a realistic option for many parents who value their children's education. Their willing to try something new but still REMAIN in East Baton Rouge Parish vs. leaving for Ascension or Livingston
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:08 am to Martini
I expect to see the melt to end all melts.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:09 am to Martini
quote:
You expect to see a large increase in property values?
No, I wouldn't expect a large jump. At least not in the short term as the school district is still quite uncertain.
However, just keeping people in the parish as opposed to Ascension or Livingston will be a big plus. And property values aren't going to go down.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:10 am to Alt26
quote:
Their willing to try something new but still REMAIN in East Baton Rouge Parish vs. leaving for Ascension or Livingston
Exactly. And if it all goes to shite (which is very unlikely) they’ll just leave like they would have done anyway. People in the proposed SG area can’t lose by voting yes.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:10 am to Martini
quote:
You expect to see a large increase in property values?
I would. You will stop some of the bleeding of people rushing to get out of EBR that move to Ascension. I don't think it will be an overnight thing but property values will for sure rise, especially once they get their own school system.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:12 am to LSUBoo
quote:
No, I wouldn't expect a large jump. At least not in the short term as the school district is still quite uncertain.
However, just keeping people in the parish as opposed to Ascension or Livingston will be a big plus. And property values aren't going to go down.
That doesn’t explain the “expected boon” of the parish agencies you mentioned. How are they going to benefit extraordinarily from this?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:13 am to genuineLSUtiger
quote:
St. George will never be allowed to happen
Other than some friends and family in St. George, I don't have a dog in the fight, but that's a statement that is either uneducated or fearful it may. "Allowed" to happen
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:14 am to Martini
Well property values in a section of the parish will
Increase, families may move back from LP and AP with a functioning school system, and it may stem the tide of families leaving the parish all together.
Increase, families may move back from LP and AP with a functioning school system, and it may stem the tide of families leaving the parish all together.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:17 am to mindbreaker
quote:
incorporating into the fifth biggest city in the state is a HUGE deal
It’s not as big a deal as you’d think when you consider that the city will not be providing any of these services which are already in place;
Fire protection
Garbage pick up
Electricity
Sewer
Water
Gas
Library
Mosquito and rodent control
EMS
Parks and Recreation
Major roads and highway plan
Council on aging
Mental health facilities
Major storm drainage plan
And much of the law enforcement
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:17 am to doubleb
quote:
The plan to improve roads and infrastructure was voted on and passed last year. You have never heard of MovEBR? Where have you been?
1.) The majority of the people within the proposed area voted against that, so it’s rather interesting that this becomes an argument.
2.) I have yet to hear the leaders of SG directly reference this when discussing infrastructure improvements.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 8:18 am to Martini
quote:
That doesn’t explain the “expected boon” of the parish agencies you mentioned. How are they going to benefit extraordinarily from this?
If it's good for the Parish, it's good for Parish-wide agencies. That's a pretty simple concept.
Between a combination of property values increasing, flight to other parishes decreasing, and another attractive option for people moving to the area, they will all benefit from a larger tax base.
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