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re: St. George: BTR: 1st ‘taxes will go up’ Now ‘brace for cuts’

Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:34 am to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:34 am to
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Absolutely, but you know as well as I we can't use the g-word.

you think the people promoting "developing" NBR would ever allow that? this is where your argument fails

they want nice, clean, safe areas that cost the same as NBR currently does. even if you assume magic can cure the social pathologies of the area's population, they will STILL require MASSIVE public subsidies (ie, stealing from StG) to keep the prices low
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49093 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:35 am to
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In effect, the StG area is currently receiving disproportionate police coverage from the Sheriff's Office compared to the parish's municipalities.


How does that square up to St. George taxpayers paying for BRPD with zero coverage?

Would BR City be willing to agree that the unincorporated area pays EBRSO a higher rate in exchange for keeping its $50 million dollars of revenue that’s stolen every year?

Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
6158 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:35 am to
Funny thing is that Baton Rouge has raised taxes almost every year for 10 years.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49093 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:36 am to
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remember as i was leaving (or had just left) BR they were trying to gentrify the area around government


That’s actually working
Posted by sec13rowBBseat28
St George, LA
Member since Aug 2006
15758 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:36 am to
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We would all be better off if it could be redeveloped.
That's racist.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41820 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:37 am to
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Once StG incorporates, we can expect the subsidizing of police coverage to eventually come to an end. It has happened every time a city incorporates in this state and other states.

You are just speculating. Earlier you spoke about tens of millions for police.

Sure in the year 2099 and SG had four hundred thousand people that might happen.

But seriously the more SG, Central, BR and the others take over policing wouldn’t the sheriff cut back on their patrols?

The fact is we are satisfied with the police services we have now. There’s no reason to change. And there’s no multi million dollar police force in the near future.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:38 am to
My favorite part of yesterday's hearing was the senator who "felt compelled by the lawd" to speak out against St. George... and her main argument was that her super poor district has voted for every tax for as long as she's represented them. Taxes they don't pay and they're still just as poor as before. What a great soundbite to vote against taxation.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466550 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:38 am to
that's good
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
41820 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:39 am to
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That’s actually working


Because private developers believe they can make a buck.

I hope they all succeed, it’s good for EBR.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466550 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:39 am to
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and her main argument was that her super poor district has voted for every tax for as long as she's represented them. Taxes they don't pay and they're still just as poor as before. What a great soundbite to vote against taxation.

there were so many arguments yesterday that were actually, on a meta level, full exposures of that parasitic-government mindset
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7049 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:41 am to
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you think the people promoting "developing" NBR would ever allow that? this is where your argument fails

they want nice, clean, safe areas that cost the same as NBR currently does. even if you assume magic can cure the social pathologies of the area's population, they will STILL require MASSIVE public subsidies (ie, stealing from StG) to keep the prices low


You are pointing out the massive rub in it. They do want the benefits of development, but they don't understand the effects, so they are quick to call it whitey pushing them out.

I don't know how to get passed that, but I do recognize that fracturing the existing tax base up probably won't help.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 9:43 am
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103144 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:43 am to
And the people making them were probably too dumb to realize them.

Like Coloumb being too fricking stupid to realize her committee passed the bill onto the House she was trying to kill.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
466550 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:43 am to
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You are pointing out the massive rub in it. They do want the benefits of development, but they don't understand the effects, so they are quick to call it whitey pushing them out.

and due to this, they aren't working together. this whole "we need to work together to save EBR together" only works if all sides are honest about their goals. the fact that StG opponents have effectively characterized the StG supporters are the only stubborn, unflinching actors is completely dishonest (and i blame the local media most for this)
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:43 am to
She obviously had no idea what she was saying and what it meant in regards to the situation at hand much less the general platform the left has of selling a pipe-dream to their poor constituents.
Posted by LSUTigahs18
Member since Jul 2017
43 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:44 am to
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I’m not 100% sure it will be a success. But I am 100% sure that EBR and BR City will continue to rot in decay so long as the the status quo remains.

We are one of the highest taxed localities in the country with absolutely nothing to show for it. Our Mayor is incompetent and her administration hands out public money to friends under the guise of community contracts. Half the City Council isn’t intelligent enough to be a part-time manager at Chili’s. The city steals $50 million dollars a year from the unincorporated are to pad its budget and it still has nothing to show for it. EBR schools are one of the worst in the country, as is our infrastructure. And because of this, we can’t attract any kind of business to the area outside of Petrochemical - which doesn’t want to hang around.

We are a dying city.


We are not dying. That's being over dramatic.

Where was all the outcry during the Mayor's election? Where was the strong push for another candidate? White is not a strong candidate (and who's behind the StG charge).

Every candidate in every office ever has to pay back the people that put them in. That's politics 101. Not a mark against Broome.

Infrastructure and education as much a state issue as it is city. That's what is behind this push and there is little to no data that will or can show these will improve. The city cant even work on roads that belong to the state. The private schools in EBR are excellent.

Change for the sake of change doesn't equate improvement. The time, effort, and money in StG would have been better used pushing strong candidates for public office.
Posted by Solo
Member since Aug 2008
8257 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:44 am to
Anyone know if there any StG polling data yet?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103144 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:44 am to
Fracturing the existing tax base shakes things up and gets people out of their comfort zone.

It’s easy to demand everyone else pay for your shite when there is money for it. When the money dries up, you either have to change or suffer.
Posted by LStU
Member since Jan 2012
505 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:44 am to
Y'all should really look into the City of Baltimore vs. Baltimore County situation to review potential parallels with this St. George movement.

As an outsider looking in, I understand and agree that St. George has a right to do this. That said, look at Baltimore and you'll see the potential hardships that this could create.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103144 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:45 am to
My guess is that you can’t get accurate polling data for it because the borders are so fricky.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
43125 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:45 am to
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My favorite part of yesterday's hearing was the senator who "felt compelled by the lawd" to speak out against St. George... and her main argument was that her super poor district has voted for every tax for as long as she's represented them. Taxes they don't pay and they're still just as poor as before. What a great soundbite to vote against taxation


It blows my mind that people who were able to win elections can speak and have absolutely no idea what they are talking about but still be confident in what they're saying.

The lady that ran that hearing has to be the dumbest person I've seen in years and the poor thing has no idea she's dumb. Imagine the people that voted for her.
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