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re: St. George: BTR: 1st ‘taxes will go up’ Now ‘brace for cuts’

Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:10 am to
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
13080 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:10 am to
Hell if st George keeps the same taxes with 50 million more going to the area I can imagine what could conceivably get accomplished
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49404 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:11 am to
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but effectively this is exactly what it is. Splitting off the school board, splitting off from some (not all) city-parish services, etc.


None of this happens with split. All parish services remain intact. The school board remains intact.

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87993 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:11 am to
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that will require a parish AND state vote
Both of which will easily pass. Most of the people in the parish understand the effectiveness of ISDs and the state has never turned one down that I recall because most voters outside the area will just see a local community looking to improve itself.
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
42358 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:12 am to
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Riverbend


there is like 20 houses for sale as we speak and that just happened in last couple months



Why are so many for sale?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87993 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:12 am to
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None of this happens with split.
What split?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87993 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:13 am to
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Hell if st George keeps the same taxes with 50 million more going to the area
Not exactly how that works. Most of that money will go back to EBR as a contract to continue certain services at least in the interim.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 9:14 am
Posted by johnnyrocket
Ghetto once known as Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2013
9790 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:14 am to
Correct the areas left out had a low number of signatures on the petition.

As far as Parish services
The city would have to provide

- Garbage (could piggy back on the existing contract or rebid it). The citizens or enduser pays for this not the city and tacked on Bill. Now in the original contract similar to EBRP contract if you read it the cans were original charged in the service fee. After x amount of years the cans were paid for and city parish owns the cans. That enduser cost not a city cost.

- City roads most would be inside subdivisions which are not serviced or maintained that well as we speak.

- drainage - not well maintained at this point.
I am putting money on a monkeys uncle could do a better job contracting this out than DPW.

- maintenance of cutting the side of parish roads. Most roads right of wats in our area that need cutting are state roads or Parish roads not maintenance well as we speak.
Right now DPW lacks the equipment due to theft to keep up with the maintenance in the parish. Contract it out and let the contractors deal with equipment theft and hiring temp labor.

- Police dept
We could have a chief and pay the sheriff or start our own dept. That up to the voters.

- City court
Right now 9th JDC handles our cases and some cases they will still handle. City court would be setup for minor violations such as speeding tickets if issued by police dept and not the sheriff.

- City Hall

- constables office provide security to city court, issue warrants for city court, and yes they can issue citations inside the city limits.

Things we already pay for and would still have as these are parish items.
- animal control
- mosquitoe control
- EMS
- DPW on parish maintained items
- district attorney office
-district court
- council on aging
- library
- brec
- school board
- clerk or court

Things we probably pay for and do not receive as the parish and city budget come from the same pot.

I have no problem not paying for these services which I do not receive due to I do not live within the city limits of BR. If BR wants these services they need to pay more taxes to keep them. The parish budget should not be affected if these City of BR services need more money.

- BRPD
-BRFD
- BR City court
- city attorneys office
- constables office
- CAT’s
(This is not stray cats hanging around this house even though similar. They both suck up money. Atleast stray cats provide a service keeping rodents, snakes, and other animal populations down. CATs just sucks up your money.)





Posted by Skillet
Member since Aug 2006
113838 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:15 am to
I'll hopefully move out of the complete shite-hole that Baton Rouge is, in the next few years.

Some are saying that if SG happens, that BR will turn into Detroit and they don't want to live next door to Detroit.

Hey SWB and gang, All of BR is becoming Detroit now, and good normal people would rather at least live next to Detroit than live in it.

Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
27835 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:15 am to
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that Louisiana can get it $hit together in terms of leadership.


BR just elected SWB. She’s not fit to run a daycare.
That was the tipping point for a lot of folks. There aren’t enough folks to cancel out the black vote anymore.

Wait’ll St. George goes through. You’ll have idiots like Gravy winning city elections.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44882 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:15 am to
SG had the best ghettos. They didn’t want to be great so they declined. If we were like BR we could have forced them to improve with us but being freedom loving people we let them chart their own course. Godspeed Gardere.
Posted by BlackAdam
Member since Jan 2016
7178 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:15 am to
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So to reverse the decay we need yo keep the status quo???


logical fallacy. Straw man. Never once said that.

quote:

Wake up man, look at what’s happening. I know two developers with projects that went to the mayor for help. Both were asked what’s kn it for NBR?


Logical fallacy. Appeal to authority. Were the other developers doing projects all over the parish not asked that question? Why is it wrong for there to be focus on a blighted underdeveloped part of the parish?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42629 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:17 am to
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effectively the argument is that a city government is INSANELY expensive

But the problem is SG pay ad if they are in the city, but we don’t get city services.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 9:29 am
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49404 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:17 am to
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What makes you so confident this will be a success? Because of all of your perceived BR failures? Asinine.


I’m not 100% sure it will be a success. But I am 100% sure that EBR and BR City will continue to rot in decay so long as the the status quo remains.

We are one of the highest taxed localities in the country with absolutely nothing to show for it. Our Mayor is incompetent and her administration hands out public money to friends under the guise of community contracts. Half the City Council isn’t intelligent enough to be a part-time manager at Chili’s. The city steals $50 million dollars a year from the unincorporated are to pad its budget and it still has nothing to show for it. EBR schools are one of the worst in the country, as is our infrastructure. And because of this, we can’t attract any kind of business to the area outside of Petrochemical - which doesn’t want to hang around.

We are a dying city.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49404 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:20 am to
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None of this happens with split.

What split?


Sorry, incorporation
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53534 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:21 am to
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Why is it wrong for there to be focus on a blighted underdeveloped part of the parish?

Developers probably want to make a profit on their investment
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104029 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:22 am to
You act like these areas are underdeveloped due to racism and not because being there is a REALLY bad plan economically.

Besides the obvious issues of little disposable income and security / pilferage issues, there is the problem that this area loves to hold up businesses for handouts / pay increases when the amount of business done there doesn’t justify it.


Know why you can’t get a grocery store in NBR? Because you have fricking idiots picketing the ones that were there demanding higher wages.

And when those supermarkets pull out, the fricking idiots cheer and yell “We won!”
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
13080 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:23 am to
No I get that part of the current money but if that’s how much more is being spent and not used in the area then the same rate in just st george would be solid.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87993 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:24 am to
There should be some excess, yes. I think the current estimate is 12mm.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11821 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:24 am to
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If only I were that wise.


Well thanks for clearing that up.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476699 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:25 am to
the opponents of StG are just using the following arguments

1. grandiose, emotionally-backed terms
2. misdirection and dishonest arguments to confuse the various types of government involved

i don't live in BR so i wasn't up to speed until yesterday, but this is the primary, current issue: the City of BR is effectively stealing money from the unincorporated areas. the opponents of StG are effectively trying to turn "parish" spending into "City of BR" spending and are loosely using terms to confuse it all for a rhetorical slight of hand (you see this with the various "split" language or the "StG and BR are effectively the same city" argument)

since each incorporated area collects/keeps the 2% sales tax, that money won't be "stolen" from the City of BR. however, the City of BR has been living high on the hog from the collections from the unincorporated areas (that will become StG), thus, the CITY (not parish) is going to have budgetary issues

there may be a slight increase in taxes in the StG area to fund certain, minor duplicitous services, but they won't be anything major

now the real issue is the EBR School Board, who will be utterly fricked if an ISD is formed in StG, HOWEVER, that's not the argument up for debate at this time
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