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re: St. George: BTR: 1st ‘taxes will go up’ Now ‘brace for cuts’
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:26 am to doubleb
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:26 am to doubleb
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In either situation the population stays about the same, there would likely be the same number of crimes, but so why would the police situation change?
We've seen this play out every time a city incorporates though. Not just in Louisiana but virtually all states, and specifically in Texas ISD cities that StG seeks to emulate.
State law requires a city to have a municipal police department. Every time a new city has tried to comply with the law while avoiding the costs - for example by having only a chief of police and referring all police action to the sheriff's office - the city has eventually had to grow it into a fully functional department.
There are a few reasons it probably always happens. The city usually wants autonomy and doesn't want to be beholden to the sheriff. The sheriff usually isn't willing to provide services and coverage to a city in excess to what he provides other cities in his parish. Parish residents in other cities usually don't want to subsidize a neighboring city's police coverage by allowing them to have disproportionate deputy coverage forever, etc.
I can tell you for fact that within a few years there will be extreme pressure on the sheriff to only offer StG coverage and services in line with what is provided proportionally to BR, Zachary, Baker, and Central. Central has been forced to step up its police services for all these same reasons and Central isn't anywhere close to StG in size, finances, or political friction.
In effect, the StG area is currently receiving disproportionate police coverage from the Sheriff's Office compared to the parish's municipalities. StG's police coverage is currently subsidized by incorporated areas that receive disproportionately less SO coverage than what they pay for since they have municipal police coverage.
Once StG incorporates, we can expect the subsidizing of police coverage to eventually come to an end. It has happened every time a city incorporates in this state and other states.
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Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:26 am to teke184
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Know why you can’t get a grocery store in NBR? Because you have fricking idiots picketing the ones that were there demanding higher wages.
The main reason is security / pilferage. Stopping shoplifting is racist.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:26 am to BlackAdam
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Why is it wrong for there to be focus on a blighted underdeveloped part of the parish?
you're effectively asking people to lose their investment
you think this is a proper use of government? indirectly taxing outside investment for political purposes?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:26 am to ell_13
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There should be some excess, yes. I think the current estimate is 12mm.
People also are only viewing the budget in the short term. In 10 years, if St. George can obtain its own ISD and improve infrastructure. It can begin to attract business to the are resulting in higher public revenue.
This needs to be STG’s goal from day one.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:28 am to BlackAdam
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Logical fallacy. Appeal to authority. Were the other developers doing projects all over the parish not asked that question? Why is it wrong for there to be focus on a blighted underdeveloped part of the parish?
I don’t know all developers, but two I know were not getting help from the mayor to facilitate their projects unless they did something in NBR.
If you are OK with that then fine. I disagree, a developer putting his money at risk isn’t going to throw it away in NBR.
Needless to say the developers did nothing.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:28 am to lsu13lsu
The issues are all related.
Supermarkets operate on a high volume low profit margin model.
Doesn’t work if you have people stealing shite and/or people demanding high pay for jobs when there isn’t enough demand to justify it.
Supermarkets operate on a high volume low profit margin model.
Doesn’t work if you have people stealing shite and/or people demanding high pay for jobs when there isn’t enough demand to justify it.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:28 am to teke184
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You act like these areas are underdeveloped due to racism and not because being there is a REALLY bad plan economically.
Besides the obvious issues of little disposable income and security / pilferage issues, there is the problem that this area loves to hold up businesses for handouts / pay increases when the amount of business done there doesn’t justify it.
Know why you can’t get a grocery store in NBR? Because you have fricking idiots picketing the ones that were there demanding higher wages.
And when those supermarkets pull out, the fricking idiots cheer and yell “We won!”
I never said anything about racism. I wouldn't set up shop in most of North Baton Rouge either for many of the reasons you articulated.
Clearly though you recognize it is in everyone's best interest for the city parish to develop a plan to get investment there. North Baton Rouge is massive and generates little in terms of property tax. We would all be better off if it could be redeveloped.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:29 am to Huey Lewis
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In effect, the StG area is currently receiving disproportionate police coverage from the Sheriff's Office compared to the parish's municipalities. StG's police coverage is currently subsidized by incorporated areas that receive disproportionately less SO coverage than what they pay for since they have municipal police coverage.
Once StG incorporates, we can expect the subsidizing of police coverage to eventually come to an end. It has happened every time a city incorporates in this state and other states.
then the EBRSO budget should be slashed, proportionately, since it won't be covering much anymore
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:29 am to Antonio Moss
quote:It has to be. Central survives on franchise fees.
This needs to be STG’s goal from day one.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:31 am to BlackAdam
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Clearly though you recognize it is in everyone's best interest for the city parish to develop a plan to get investment there.
then the city-parish needs to fund a study on discovering unicorns so their farts can accomplish this goal
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We would all be better off if it could be redeveloped.
you mean, gentrified?
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:31 am to BlackAdam
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Clearly though you recognize it is in everyone's best interest for the city parish to develop a plan to get investment there. North Baton Rouge is massive and generates little in terms of property tax. We would all be better off if it could be redeveloped.
Correct. And, in theory, Communism works.
No amount of government supported investment is going to make a difference until the underlying conditions change.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:31 am to BlackAdam
Redevelopment would require the people living within the area to be retrained. Which is “raycisss~!”
Most attempts to rehab an area start with groups like Yuppies who have high income and who decide they are going to move into a low cost area and improve it rather than pay premium costs to live somewhere better.
The problems with this are that there isn’t a young professional core really capable of this in BR and any improvement to the area will be followed by screams about how people were gentrified out of their homes.
Most attempts to rehab an area start with groups like Yuppies who have high income and who decide they are going to move into a low cost area and improve it rather than pay premium costs to live somewhere better.
The problems with this are that there isn’t a young professional core really capable of this in BR and any improvement to the area will be followed by screams about how people were gentrified out of their homes.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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you mean, gentrified?
Absolutely, but you know as well as I we can't use the g-word.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:33 am to teke184
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The problems with this are that there isn’t a young professional core really capable of this in BR and any improvement to the area will be followed by screams about how people were gentrified out of their homes.
i remember as i was leaving (or had just left) BR they were trying to gentrify the area around government
then there was a home invasion and a family was killed and that effectively ended that experiment
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:33 am to BlackAdam
quote:Developing and fixing it to that point would raise cost of living and taxes to a point that would push out the poor to another location. They don't stay and become a part of the solution. They simply get priced out. That's been shown time and time again in every city in this country. We call it gentrification and most people on the left despise it.
it is in everyone's best interest for the city parish to develop a plan to get investment there. North Baton Rouge is massive and generates little in terms of property tax. We would all be better off if it could be redeveloped.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:33 am to SlackMaster
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the answer isn't to split up the city
How many times do we have to tell you people, there is no splitting up of the city! Get that through your thick skull.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:33 am to BlackAdam
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Why is it wrong for there to be focus on a blighted underdeveloped part of the parish?
There has been a focus on it for three years by the North Baton Rouge Economic Development District including a tax revenue stream with no progress at all. In three years.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
Yep. Two good boys whom Trudy White has released under instructions to do several good deeds rather than go to jail.
I guess killing a mother and shooting her young daughter qualified.
I guess killing a mother and shooting her young daughter qualified.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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i remember as i was leaving (or had just left) BR they were trying to gentrify the area around government
There's still a lot of development going on in that area.
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