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re: St Charles Clean Fuels Ammonia public notice meeting halted as 200+ came and chaos ensued
Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:49 pm to MikeD
Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:49 pm to MikeD
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There’s an operating ammonia plant directly across the river from the New Orleans airport.
Yea, I know Dyno Nobel. I believe built in 2016. I'd bet that's the angle SCCF is taking to support their cause. They don't really have anything else than that to support their case.
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 4:52 pm to notsince98
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No. I'm talking about pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere and sequestering it where it is removed from the carbon cycle.
The CO2 is not pulled from the atmosphere. It just prevents newly created CO2 from being added to the atmosphere. There are venting/exhaust spots where it'll be captured. Think like the tailpipe of your car, capturing CO2 off it. There was no CO2 in your gas tank before engine combustion. The combustion created CO2 from your gasoline likely Octane.
It's not removing any pre-existing CO2 from the atmosphere. Basically immediately when the Methane from the process is converted to CO2, it is caught and sequestered. Brand new CO2, Not pre-existing.
CO2 here is made from converting the natural gas to Hydrogen which then is converted to Ammonia via Haber Bosch Process. The CH4 (Methane) splits to CO2 (combines with oxygen) & H2, and this CO2 never existed before in history of earth. The H2 then gets added Nitrogen from an Air Separator and combines another Hydrogen molecule to make NH3, Ammonia. But overall does not lower ppm of CO2, just keeps it neutral at whatever it was before.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 5:02 pm to notsince98
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No. I'm talking about pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere and sequestering it where it is removed from the carbon cycle.
You may be thinking of DAC (Direct Air Capture). Oxy is doing it. It directly captures CO2 pre-existing in the air today and sequestering it. This directly lowers CO2 ppm in the air. This Ammonia plant will not lower existing CO2 ppm in the air, just prevents it from going from 400 to 401 ppm or whatever.
You can make an argument that Biomass Energy with Carbon Capture and Sequestration lowers CO2 levels because things like burning trees, bagasse, etc, would eventually die and emit CO2 from decay process. By burning these things to create energy, and capturing CO2 and sequestering it, you're disrupting the natural cycle for the Biomass to emit CO2 upon death/decay. While this doesn't directly remove pre-existing CO2 from the atmosphere, it prevents future CO2 that would've been emitted from entering the atmosphere years down the road upon biomass (plant) death/decay.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:32 pm to Saunson69
you realize that all that coal and oil used to be green plants that died decay
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:05 am to Trevaylin
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you realize that all that coal and oil used to be green plants that died decay
Exactly. The carbon balance of the planet could be thrown off by putting carbon 10000 feet below the surface where it will never be available for plant use.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:14 am to Saunson69
Just get ready for swamps that fizz.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:27 am to Saunson69
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The CH4 (Methane) splits to CO2 (combines with oxygen) & H2, and this CO2 never existed before in history of earth.
That’s a bold claim.
Where do you think the carbon in the methane came from?
Posted on 10/8/24 at 11:36 am to Saunson69
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Yea, I know Dyno Nobel.
CF bought it about 5-6 months ago.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 12:35 pm to Saunson69
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St Charles Clean Fuels is an 8,000 MTPD Ammonia Facility planned in St Charles Parish. They plan to capture CO2 off the Ammonia production process and inject it into a nearby reservoir to qualify for the Inflation Reduction Act 45Q tax credit that qualifies for $85 per Metric Ton of CO2 sequestered. It's basically cover the expense with no real profit in doing the carbon capture. A kind of goodwill item, but no company would do if it was ended up costing them more to implement.
Does this have to take place near by where the ammonia production process is happening?
Why would any company do this if there is no profit?
Posted on 10/8/24 at 1:14 pm to Saunson69
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The Louisiana Department of Environmental Quality which issues Air Permits along with the county issuing the permit to build and operate
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Louisiana
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county
Does not compute.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 1:46 pm to Saunson69
Do people in Saint rose realize there’s a huge ammonia plant just across the river literally in the Saint Charles/jefferson parish line!! As far as the other angle about slavery the property where the ammonia plant I’m speaking of is literally on an old plantation.
This post was edited on 10/8/24 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 10/8/24 at 2:04 pm to Skeeterzx190
I sit with the people of St. Rose in this matter. Louisiana, mostly its politicians. have long profited by selling our right to clean air and water, it's time this practice ended. I lived in Luling for 10 years, near Monsanto, Union Carbide, American Cyanamid and many other chem plants. It was normal to open my door in the morning and smell a cloud of ammonia or chlorine or God knows what else.
One morning in particular it was so bad that I kept the children home until it lifted. I filed a complaint with DEQ, a few days later a couple of my neighbors who worked at the offender, came by to give me a Chamber of Commerce speech about how important the jobs were that the plant created. What BS.
One morning in particular it was so bad that I kept the children home until it lifted. I filed a complaint with DEQ, a few days later a couple of my neighbors who worked at the offender, came by to give me a Chamber of Commerce speech about how important the jobs were that the plant created. What BS.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 2:55 pm to andouille
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It was normal to open my door in the morning and smell a cloud of ammonia or chlorine or God knows what else.
I grew up on river road between Dow and the Luling bridge and directly across the river from Valero and Shell. Lived there for 20 Years had friends all over the parish and never smelled the slightest smell of anything except when they would burn the cane fields we would smell it. I have worked in the Oil Gas and Petrochemical industry since 2007 in just about every plant in Southeast La and some in other parts of the country and I can say with 100% confidence you are full of shite. I'm in and out of these places all day everyday some years I'm in a plant over 300 days and 99.9% of the time you will not smell a damn thing even inside the gates of the plant until you enter the particular operating unit that the smell is coming from. Hell my office right now is next to a chlorine unit and I do not smell a thing unless I walk across the street to the unit or there is a fugitive emissions upset. Those upsets are also promptly reported and the ramifications or fines are handled accordingly and expeditiously. But keep spewing what you think you know.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 5:41 pm to andouille
I agree with you. I’m just saying there’s a lot of stuff people just don’t realize. Cyanamide has deep well injection and has had it for at least half a century and pumping crap in the ground. There’s also a huge ammonia plant located there as well as 100’s of thousands of gallons of cyanide contains liquids. ACH and acrylonitrile. It’s called cancer alley for a reason. Lake mauerpas is fighting a losing battle in co2 injection under the lake. Most people don’t know that just north of I-12 in Holden there are co2 injection wells already pumping it underground.
Posted on 10/8/24 at 5:57 pm to Saunson69
I wonder how many of these people were bussed in to protest.
Posted on 10/9/24 at 3:44 am to Wildman 22
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I grew up on river road between Dow and the Luling bridge and directly across the river from Valero and Shell. Lived there for 20 Years had friends all over the parish and never smelled the slightest smell of anything except when they would burn the cane fields we would smell it. I have worked in the Oil Gas and Petrochemical industry since 2007 in just about every plant in Southeast La and some in other parts of the country and I can say with 100% confidence you are full of shite. I'm in and out of these places all day everyday some years I'm in a plant over 300 days and 99.9% of the time you will not smell a damn thing even inside the gates of the plant until you enter the particular operating unit that the smell is coming from. Hell my office right now is next to a chlorine unit and I do not smell a thing unless I walk across the street to the unit or there is a fugitive emissions upset. Those upsets are also promptly reported and the ramifications or fines are handled accordingly and expeditiously. But keep spewing what you think you know.
You are nose blind to chem plant smells, the ditches around Monsanto on River Rd. were green with glycol, throw in a few dead animals from drinking it, smelled great. One night in 1978 we were driving home from Metairie and the state police stopped up on Hwy 90 due to a release from Am Cyd.
When we moved out of Luling to SEBR my son's respiratory issues stopped. St. Charles Parish has the best school system in the state, if a school needs a microscope, UC used to deliver one immediately. But that all came at a price, your health and your children's health. The clouds of vapor used to drift from Monsanto across Hwy 90 right over Mimosa Park Elementary, they would keep the kids in from recess.
I'm sorry you are dependent on the poisoners for your living, but I'm not and I can speak out.
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