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re: Spinoff: those of you raised Catholic with kids
Posted on 9/20/18 at 9:58 am to ctiger69
Posted on 9/20/18 at 9:58 am to ctiger69
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It is fair and just. You know the requirements and it is up to you. Example, everyone has a winning powerball ticket for 1 billion dollars. You just need to bring it to a set location and cash it. Are you telling me that you can be the most kind giving person in the world and you won’t get the money if you don’t bring your ticket in.... yes. The murderer who brings his ticket in will get the money...yes. That is retarded but it is still your decision.
Are catholics the only people who go to heaven?
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:10 am to Ignatius Reilly
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Nope. Not a church hopper. I don't go to church to be entertained. I like the routine and consistency of the Catholic mass. There are good and bad in every religion, organization, family, community, etc.
Can you maybe explain something for me? I'm not saying this is you so please don't take it that way. Pretty much every day on this board I see someone refer to Penn State as Pedo U and/or see others lose their minds over the pitcher at Oregon State. These same people then praise the Catholic Church and profess their love for everything it brings to humanity. I just don't understand the disconnect after the years and years of abuse within the Catholic Church.
I've tried asking this before but can never get a straight answer.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:21 am to Fourteen28
I wasn't raised Catholic but I am now Catholic with kids so maybe I don't count. But the answer is still no.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:24 am to kritra
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Can you maybe explain something for me? I'm not saying this is you so please don't take it that way. Pretty much every day on this board I see someone refer to Penn State as Pedo U and/or see others lose their minds over the pitcher at Oregon State. These same people then praise the Catholic Church and profess their love for everything it brings to humanity. I just don't understand the disconnect after the years and years of abuse within the Catholic Church.
I've tried asking this before but can never get a straight answer.
These are obviously great problems, but the main role of the Church is my own salvation. And the doctrine of the Catholic Church cannot be found anywhere else. I'm not going to leave the truth for some Protestant that will change doctrine in ten years when progressives force the issue. I want true freedom, not niceness.
What holds me down is the incredible stories of the Catholic saints, the people who prayed and lived the life asked of them by Jesus Christ through his Church. And some of these saints, had to clean up some big messes (within the confines of the Church). St. John Chrysostom said this in the late 4th century, so to pretend our problems are current is naive:
"The road to hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lampposts that light the path."
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 10:28 am
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:32 am to SwaggerCopter
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I'm not going to leave the truth for some Protestant that will change doctrine in ten years when progressives force the issue. I want true freedom, not niceness.
Brother have you seen the beliefs of your current pope?
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:34 am to TigerFanInSouthland
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Brother have you seen the beliefs of your current pope?
I have, and he is the worst, but we have survived tons of terrible popes. And we will survive this one. Doctrine will not change, but unfortunately mass confusion has been caused. That is the worst he can do. The day he attempts to change unchangeable doctrine, he will cease to be the pope. And you will see true mass hysteria. Trust me in that there are many bishops waiting for the day.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:37 am to Fourteen28
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have the sex abuse scandels prompted you to leave the church and look elsewhere?
I am catholic, as is my wife and our daughter (7 months). She was baptized, and we will send her to catechism, but it is up to her if she wants to practice the religion or get confirmed.
My wife and I do not practice but are not anti-catholic either.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:38 am to SwaggerCopter
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These are obviously great problems, but the main role of the Church is my own salvation. And the doctrine of the Catholic Church cannot be found anywhere else. I'm not going to leave the truth for some Protestant that will change doctrine in ten years when progressives force the issue. I want true freedom, not niceness. What holds me down is the incredible stories of the Catholic saints, the people who prayed and lived the life asked of them by Jesus Christ through his Church. And some of these saints, had to clean up some big messes (within the confines of the Church). St. John Chrysostom said this in the late 4th century, so to pretend our problems are current is naive: "The road to hell is paved with the bones of priests and monks, and the skulls of bishops are the lampposts that light the path."
But that still doesn't answer the question as to how certain people who love the Catholic Church no matter the wrong doings can spew vile toward another group (PSU/OSU fans and alumi) because of the same wrong doings. Again, I'm not saying that is you but I see it in a large number of posters on this board.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:41 am to kritra
Yeah. That is a fair point. I think the biggest problem there is that all of us are pretending our big programs couldn't very much get into the same problems. Penn State has a lot of fanatical qualities that A&M and LSU have... 
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:51 am to Fourteen28
For anyone who was raised Catholic and actually wants to be part of a church, find just about any other church that isn’t Catholic and you’ll be amazed what you can learn.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:52 am to Fourteen28
Nope but I will say when my son told me that he wanted to be an altar boy, my answer was sure! He went through the training etc but seeing him on the altar serving that first time -- well I had a lump in my throat.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:52 am to Clark W Griswold
quote:Ive been
find just about any other church that isn’t Catholic and you’ll be amazed what you can learn.
You learn how to tell everyone how great and holy you are, then go get shitfaced at home and sleep with your neighbors wife
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:58 am to windshieldman
I was raised Catholic ...
Posted on 9/20/18 at 10:58 am to Fourteen28
Raised Catholic, and went to Catholic schools 1-12 grades.
Grew up, got tired of the same messages, tired of money begging during mass, tired of overall church corruption, tired of the actual service not relating to me and my life.
Started attending a more Restorationalist - Christian church.
Grew up, got tired of the same messages, tired of money begging during mass, tired of overall church corruption, tired of the actual service not relating to me and my life.
Started attending a more Restorationalist - Christian church.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:09 am to TROLA
That was me. One of my kids went to Catholic schools and my wife goes every Sunday. I was going to convert but there are some things I just can't say I believe so I wouldn't lie to convert (so the bread become the body only if a priest prays over it? not if I pray for that to happen on my own??--dont buy that--the Church didn't teach that for centuries either.)
It is uncomfortable with sitting through the entire service and not have communion so I don't go.
The world needs a strong Church. The idea that the other denominations and Churches have the same problem is just not true. They may have perverts but they do not have institutional cover ups. I guarantee you a Baptist or Methodist preacher caught abusing a young boy in these small Southern towns will be grateful for jail. If the Catholic lay people had more local control these priest would be damn lucky to survive such an act too.
It is uncomfortable with sitting through the entire service and not have communion so I don't go.
The world needs a strong Church. The idea that the other denominations and Churches have the same problem is just not true. They may have perverts but they do not have institutional cover ups. I guarantee you a Baptist or Methodist preacher caught abusing a young boy in these small Southern towns will be grateful for jail. If the Catholic lay people had more local control these priest would be damn lucky to survive such an act too.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:23 am to LSUbase13
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Raised Catholic and raising my kids Catholic. Unlike other Christian faiths, we do not follow a pastor around or choose a particular church based on a priest. We belong to a Parish and follow the Church's teachings.
It really isn't any different than Episcopalians. What about Presbyterians? Lutheran?
Yep, I was more or less referring to Baptists, Healing Place and other Christian churches (non-traditional ones).
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:26 am to Tony The Tiger
quote:bingo
Raised Catholic and raising my kids Catholic. Unlike other Christian faiths, we do not follow a pastor around or choose a particular church based on a priest. We belong to a Parish and follow the Church's teachings. So when these monsters, who represent the Catholic church, do what they do - it stings. It pisses me off. It does not, however, shake my faith. It is kind of like being an American. You may disagree with the folks running the country. You may not like the direction things are going, but you are not going to move to another country if you love this one. It is the country we are in, we believe in the constitution. We believe in the principles of this great country. Same with Catholicism.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:36 am to ctiger69
You are incorrect in what you say. Suicide is not the unforgiveable sin.
PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
CHAPTER TWO
"YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF"
ARTICLE 5
THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.
2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST
SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS
CHAPTER TWO
"YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF"
ARTICLE 5
THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT
2280 Everyone is responsible for his life before God who has given it to him. It is God who remains the sovereign Master of life. We are obliged to accept life gratefully and preserve it for his honor and the salvation of our souls. We are stewards, not owners, of the life God has entrusted to us. It is not ours to dispose of.
2281 Suicide contradicts the natural inclination of the human being to preserve and perpetuate his life. It is gravely contrary to the just love of self. It likewise offends love of neighbor because it unjustly breaks the ties of solidarity with family, nation, and other human societies to which we continue to have obligations. Suicide is contrary to love for the living God.
2282 If suicide is committed with the intention of setting an example, especially to the young, it also takes on the gravity of scandal. Voluntary co-operation in suicide is contrary to the moral law.
Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide.
2283 We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 11:37 am
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:41 am to Fourteen28
No.....priests aren't the church....Jesus Christ is the church. Priests are fallible just like other men.....I evaluate character of priests just like any other man and adjust my trust level accordingly.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 11:48 am
Posted on 9/20/18 at 11:43 am to Fourteen28
No
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