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re: Space-X and Intel partner to build a 100M sq ft semiconductor fabrication plant in TX
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:47 am to ell_13
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:47 am to ell_13
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Can’t imagine the amount of power and water that’s gonna require
water? not nearly what you think, not nearly what BREC uses on its 5 golf courses in EBR. But hey....we love our golf courses and love to bash new manufacturing, especially that involves AI because we are do fricking stupid to know we are fed BS by the media
as far as power....not like Elon didnt just buy a power company and there havent small nuclear power plants propsed or anything right? surely the normal everyday joe blow is paying for the electricity this place is going to use....right?
seriously please stfu when you have no clue wtf you are talking about
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Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:48 am to stout
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Water issues such as not enough in that area or such as neighbors bitched to the local governing body?
Multiple water issues have happened. There have been issues where the local water supply couldn't handle the water demand. There have been sites where the wastewater treatment plant couldn't handle the flow from the DC. And years ago I did design for data centers out in VA that maxed out the infrastructure and the cost of water/sewer for residents shot through the roof. This impacted recent projects because now residents in those area refuse to allow any data center projects. Even when we can get data center companies to agree to build new infrastructure to help the community, they are saying no because they already got burned.
It is a highly contentious topic but these are real issues that have to be navigated. There are solutions but the negative pushback is based on real events. It is going to be a PR battle almost everywhere moving forward.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:49 am to stout
100m square feet is almost hard to fathom
For comparison - ATL is 4,7000 acres and 6.3m square foot of terminal space
For comparison - ATL is 4,7000 acres and 6.3m square foot of terminal space
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:49 am to lsu777
quote:You should take your own advice here.
seriously please stfu when you have no clue wtf you are talking about
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:52 am to lsu777
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water? not nearly what you think, not nearly what BREC uses on its 5 golf courses in EBR. But hey....we love our golf courses and love to bash new manufacturing, especially that involves AI because we are do fricking stupid to know we are fed BS by the media
You do realize this comparison isn't valid, right? none of those things are being built at the rate of data centers. There are tens of thousands of data center projects in the USA right now. this doesn't even get into the fact there is no water treatment requirement for golf course watering.
This post was edited on 8/7/26 at 8:53 am
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:53 am to ell_13
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You should take your own advice here.
yea I saw later where you worked, my bad....i assumed you were another dumbass idiot like most that post that. I apologize about that....but if you been around here...you could see why I would assume
again I apologize about assuming
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:53 am to notsince98
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It is going to be a PR battle almost everywhere moving forward.
Yep and the media is no help. They want the clicks, so they sensationalize it.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:55 am to lsu777
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not nearly what you think, not nearly what BREC uses on its 5 golf courses in EBR.
Legitimate question, do you have any sources for what a golf course uses vs your average open loop cooled data centers?
I ask because this whole debate usually just comes down to one side saying they use way too much and the other side saying they don't without any actual data being provided.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:55 am to RIPMachoMan
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Yeah… salt is great with metal
If you have a power plant, you have a desalinator.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:56 am to notsince98
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You do realize this comparison isn't valid, right? none of those things are being built at the rate of data centers. There are tens of thousands of data center projects in the USA right now. this doesn't even get into the fact there is no water treatment requirement for golf course watering.
you understand almost all new data centers are being built with closed loop systems right?
and if it becomes an issue could easily build desalination plants. but right now even with all of the ones being built there is no water shortage. its a BS talking point being fed to the masses
and yes I know what you do...but almost all of the data centers being cancelled that are not being built in the desert are being cancelled by locals caving to pressure over people bitching about water.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:58 am to notsince98
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Every proposed data center should disclose its expected withdrawals, actual consumption, water source, cooling design, discharge volume, electricity-related water footprint, drought contingency plan, and contractual priority during shortages. If officials cannot provide those numbers, they have no legitimate basis for demanding that households, farms, or small businesses surrender access in the name of technological progress.
The water wars have begun.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 8:59 am to DesScorp
That’s not true. The water gets treated but it rarely requires desalination because the source is freshwater 95% of the time.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:00 am to lsu777
Threads like these are such good examples of how easily people can be misled and what political bubble they live in.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:00 am to RIPMachoMan
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Yeah… salt is great with metal
Whoever invents hyper efficient, cost-effective, and mass scalable desalination is going to be Elon level rich.
Imagine massive oil pipelines but with fresh water on every continent that needs it.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:05 am to lsu777
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you understand almost all new data centers are being built with closed loop systems right?
Closed loop doesn't mean no water consumption. They still use a LOT. They just use a lot less than older designs.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:05 am to taylork37
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Legitimate question, do you have any sources for what a golf course uses vs your average open loop cooled data centers?
I ask because this whole debate usually just comes down to one side saying they use way too much and the other side saying they don't without any actual data being provided.
USGA says that golf courses in the US use 2.08 BILLION gallons per day for irrigation with the average course using 312k gallons per day
almost every new data center is being built as a closed loop, but here are the numbers for a open loop(understand this is average because it depends on the size)
average is ~300k gallons per day with the largest data centers being a little of 500k per day. Now the hyperscale centers can use way more, upwards of a million a day....still less than just the BREC golf courses use per day.
so yea we less than 5 golf courses Brec has.
and yes most existing data centers are open loop but almost all new ones proposed are closed loop and many of the existing open loops are transitioning to recycled water instead of municipal water supplies. LINK
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:13 am to lsu777
Good stuff.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks for the info.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:14 am to notsince98
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Closed loop doesn't mean no water consumption. They still use a LOT. They just use a lot less than older designs.
no they dont. they use a lot initially but after use less than 5,000 gallons per year even on the hyperscale and thats just for flushing. even if it was 200k gallons per year...that is less than average 18 hole golf course uses per day
and most hyperscale centers are moving to direct to chip closed loop systems in the existing centers and will replace most open loop systems within a decade with that tech. the retrofit is pretty standard
most new facilities within the next 5 years will move to immersion cooling imo which is veyr efficient and essentially uses no water after initial start up
and if yall think data centers use a lot
Exxon BR uses 7.3 billion gallons of ground water per year. that does not include the 50-100 million gallons in surface it uses everyday
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:18 am to lsu777
Yeah, but Exxon just throws that back in the river.
Posted on 8/7/26 at 9:19 am to ell_13
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That’s not true. The water gets treated but it rarely requires desalination because the source is freshwater 95% of the time.
Most power plants have the basics for desalination , especially nuclear. And with seawater electrolysis, as long as your plant can produce excess power, you can clean water with it. In the Middle East, dual use plants are all along the coasts.
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