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re: Some numbers ($) related to trophy hunting in Africa
Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:00 am to weagle1999
Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:00 am to weagle1999
Locals eat lions and leopards? Didn't realize that.
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Posted on 5/3/26 at 10:22 am to Bjorn Cyborg
You can call it whatever you want. Conservation. Hunting.
It's a colonizers fetish to go to Africa and hunt. Just be honest with yourselves. It's obscene.
It's a colonizers fetish to go to Africa and hunt. Just be honest with yourselves. It's obscene.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:18 am to weagle1999
quote:I was born and raised there. Nice attempt though.
Please share your observations from your trips to Africa
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:27 am to weagle1999
Those animals seem nice unless you’re familiar with how a lion can attack people and how a pack of elephants can trample over a whole village.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:28 am to BigEdLSU
quote:And results in protection of wildlife.
It's obscene.
There are multiple studies showing that during periods of hunting bans, with the two most obvious being Kenya and Tanzania, there was a massive decline in wildlife populations.
There was zero incentive to protect the wildlife.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:30 am to weagle1999
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First, Africa isn’t the US. Without a financial incentive to protect many of these animals for hunting they would all be dead and eaten by the locals.
Traditional safaris provide far more jobs and revenue than big game hunting.
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Also, if bears in the US killed as many people as lions kill in Africa, bears would be extinct.
Absurd.
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A 2026 safari hunt in Mozambique including a lion can cost at least $103,000. The average annual salary there is around $3,000.
And the foreign outfitter and guide take home the vast majority of that.
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Considering average US annual income, this is the equivalent to someone coming to your town in the United States and paying $2.3M for a single hunt.
The locals still live in shanties and the foreign outfitters drive Land Cruisers.
This bit where big game hunters fancy themselves as some kind of big hearted philanthropists is insulting.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:31 am to weagle1999
I have no problem with hunting. I have hunted in my life. It doesn’t seem very sporting to hunt lions. It’s not really for meat or eating. Maybe I’m wrong? Who needs to hunt to eat a large cat in 2026? Maybe a couple of hundred years ago.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:32 am to GentleJackJones
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I’ll never understand why someone would want to hunt elephants and big cats.
I just assume they have a small wiener.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:32 am to UPT
quote:Sure, but the incentive to protect these animals from poachers is there when the money is there.
This bit where big game hunters fancy themselves as some kind of big hearted philanthropists is insulting.
When the money is removed, the populations decline substantially.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:35 am to UFFan
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Those animals seem nice unless you’re familiar with how a lion can attack people and how a pack of elephants can trample over a whole village.
Yes, definitely that’s true. What exactly is the threat to a tourist coming from the other side of the world to hunt a lion? Is the lion threatening their home in Texas or wherever? I do understand responsible hunting and control of animal populations.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 11:39 am to Scruffy
Exactly. I’m not a fan of the practice overall but without it all these species would be extinct. Our people put our values on everyone, Those people are just trying to survive while we are worried about choosing between Chipotle or Chik fil a.
Don’t worry the day will come when hunting big game will end and then all those animals will be killed by the locals for either food or safety. Money is the only thing keeping those species alive. And unless all you do gooders want to send over your life savings to pay off the populous you might as well let the hunters do it.
Don’t worry the day will come when hunting big game will end and then all those animals will be killed by the locals for either food or safety. Money is the only thing keeping those species alive. And unless all you do gooders want to send over your life savings to pay off the populous you might as well let the hunters do it.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 12:16 pm to RunningJacket
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Exactly. I’m not a fan of the practice overall but without it all these species would be extinct.
You’re just wildly incorrect, and have no idea what you’re talking about.
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Don’t worry the day will come when hunting big game will end and then all those animals will be killed by the locals for either food or safety.
Hopefully this is the dumbest thing I read today.
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And unless all you do gooders want to send over your life savings to pay off the populous you might as well let the hunters do it.
Or you know, just continue promoting safari tourism, which generates far more money and jobs than big game hunting, with people who are genuinely interested in conservation instead of bringing an animal head back to Texas.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 12:36 pm to UPT
its some weird power fetish to go slaughter these creatures.
Just as the asian horn powder grinder is obscene, and the local poacher is obscene, and the rich foreign hunter is obscene.
None of you are right. And your conservation gaslighting is built on a house of cards.
Just as the asian horn powder grinder is obscene, and the local poacher is obscene, and the rich foreign hunter is obscene.
None of you are right. And your conservation gaslighting is built on a house of cards.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:48 pm to UPT
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Traditional safaris
Traditional safaris involve hunting.
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Absurd
Disagree.
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And the foreign outfitter and guide take home the vast majority of that.
They are the ones protecting the wildlife. The landowner owns all the wildlife inside the fence.
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The locals still live in shanties and the foreign outfitters drive Land Cruisers.
Afrikaners aren’t foreigners.
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This bit where big game hunters fancy themselves as some kind of big hearted philanthropists is insulting.
And what have you done to help the situation?
Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:49 pm to BigEdLSU
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its some weird power fetish to go slaughter these creatures. Just as the asian horn powder grinder is obscene, and the local poacher is obscene, and the rich foreign hunter is obscene. None of you are right. And your conservation gaslighting is built on a house of cards.
What have you done to help conservation in Africa?
Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:51 pm to Sofaking2
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Who needs to hunt to eat a large cat in 2026?
The locals in Africa can’t just zip down to the local Publix and buy protein. Nothing there goes to waste.
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 5/3/26 at 1:54 pm to Sofaking2
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have no problem with hunting. I have hunted in my life. It doesn’t seem very sporting to hunt lions. It’s not really for meat or eating. Maybe I’m wrong? Who needs to hunt to eat a large cat in 2026? Maybe a couple of hundred years ago.
To protect populations culling of herds and prides is needed. It would either be a cost to pay a local game warden to do the cull, or have it provide a bunch of money to local community to allow a rich foreigner to take the shot.
The animal was going to be killed either way. Older males cause problems, sick/diseased animals, etc.
The hunts give these communities the resources to track and protect the overall species…otherwise as with any 3rd world shithole the animals would be extinct very fast because there would be no conservation or forward thinking
I wouldn’t ever pay for one of these hunts or even want to, but villainizing them is very short sighted utopian view of the world and how low trust societies operate
This post was edited on 5/3/26 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:37 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
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Americans pay an obscene amount of money to shoot an animal from a heard that has been specifically chosen as to maximize the viability of the future heard.
Yea ok
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:42 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Elephants would be absolutely wiped out if not for protective measures.
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I get it, but this utopian view is hardly reality
Posted on 5/3/26 at 2:44 pm to weagle1999
Too bad we can't get hunters to come here and pay lots of money to hunt African predators
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