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re: So..got in a fight with the wife tonight…
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:34 am to SquatchDawg
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:34 am to SquatchDawg
She's showing all the classic signs of depression. I would find aa good therapist, preferably one that specializes with couples. She's going to need your support through this b/c it's clear she's hurting.
The worst thing you could do right now is yell at her or bait her into an argument. That'll make her withdraw even more than she already has.
Also, it probably won't hurt to find a local AA chapter as shes clearly using alcohol as a crutch.
My prayers are with you and your family. God Bless and good luck.
The worst thing you could do right now is yell at her or bait her into an argument. That'll make her withdraw even more than she already has.
Also, it probably won't hurt to find a local AA chapter as shes clearly using alcohol as a crutch.
My prayers are with you and your family. God Bless and good luck.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 8:02 am
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:38 am to SquatchDawg
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She blew up. “I haven’t worked in 20 years”..”nobody would hire me”. She mentioned a few things and said “I don’t want to do that” to which I responded “ Do you think I do what I do because I want to? No…I have no choice”.
Man, I feel your predicament.
Do you have any friends with businesses or stroke in one that would be willing to give her a chance?
Might blow up in your face, sure, but if you counter her "no one will hire me." With "I was talking to so and so the other day and they said they had this position open as would be willing to train someone. They asked me if you would have any interest."
You have to calmly counter her objections.
She's depressed and having a job and a purpose again will help. She's caught in a whirlpool now and just going round and round and down and down.
If you love your wife (and I know you do) you'll have to pull her out. Even if she gnashes and wails
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:39 am to SquatchDawg
She needs to work so she isn’t just sitting around the house.
There comes a point in time that being a STAHM is no longer needed
There comes a point in time that being a STAHM is no longer needed
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:39 am to SquatchDawg
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I’ve had this shite in high alert…but she’s so mentally anti-sexual at this point (pre meno) that I would be shocked if she slipped off. But I don’t discount antything at this point.
Women who don’t want sex will sometimes go get it from men outside a relationship just to seek validation.
It’s not that they want the sex, they just want to feel better about themselves.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:40 am to SquatchDawg
maybe your feelings aren't so much about what she is doing, rather its her not recognizing what you have brought to the table. Perhaps this would allow you to be more open to helping her with her struggles.
keeping score in a relationship is a dangerous thing. Especially when you have brought it to a point of resentment, without any prior difficult conversations.
keeping score in a relationship is a dangerous thing. Especially when you have brought it to a point of resentment, without any prior difficult conversations.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:41 am to SquatchDawg
Show up, surprisingly, to one of her girls’ weekends. It’ll show her how much you care and it’ll impress her friends too.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:42 am to SquatchDawg
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Her sole focus is on lunch with her friends, girls weekend with her friends, yoga with her friends, etc.
Bro, she’s banging somebody else or at least is about to.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:42 am to SquatchDawg
Your kids can send themselves to college. Get jobs, get loans, get scholarships, or enlist.
frick paying for college.
frick paying for college.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:45 am to SquatchDawg
There's some good advice in this thread, but I think there's been a missing component in everyone's response: you.
You structured your career so she could serve in the traditional role of homemaker.
You "soldiered on" as the reliable provider in the background of a story that turned its focus to ailing family members.
You drink to keep the peace while she guzzles to disappear.
You (I assume) maintain the order of the home with meal planning and child rearing and she frolics off for fun times with her friends.
Then, despite you writing all of this out and hedging with "I wrote this as therapy," hope that people here can provide the right insight to figure it all out.
There's a term I learned a long time ago that I think can apply here: the drunk captain. You have figuratively been in charge of the relationship, but the dynamics have actually placed your wife at the wheel. Without strong leadership from you, she has wildly flailed about and is trying to hide away before the ship crashes and sinks. Obviously you've only given us a snippet of your issues here, but if I had to guess, outside of bringing in an upper class income, she has had to navigate the emotional, logistical, and parental load of not only her home but the deaths of her parents. She's burned out, depressed, and needs therapy.
And here you come with: get a job because my provisions aren't enough to take care of the kids' futures.
When a woman has to steer while resenting the fact that she's steering, she'll either mutiny or hop aboard a better ship.
So I guess I would say that a lot of the thread has focused on her needing therapy and support, and I agree. But what might you identify in yourself that needs addressing? Where has your leadership faltered? How might you show up differently, not as the agreeable husband who wishes for harmony but as the man who can lead?
Because until you change, this dynamic won't.
You structured your career so she could serve in the traditional role of homemaker.
You "soldiered on" as the reliable provider in the background of a story that turned its focus to ailing family members.
You drink to keep the peace while she guzzles to disappear.
You (I assume) maintain the order of the home with meal planning and child rearing and she frolics off for fun times with her friends.
Then, despite you writing all of this out and hedging with "I wrote this as therapy," hope that people here can provide the right insight to figure it all out.
There's a term I learned a long time ago that I think can apply here: the drunk captain. You have figuratively been in charge of the relationship, but the dynamics have actually placed your wife at the wheel. Without strong leadership from you, she has wildly flailed about and is trying to hide away before the ship crashes and sinks. Obviously you've only given us a snippet of your issues here, but if I had to guess, outside of bringing in an upper class income, she has had to navigate the emotional, logistical, and parental load of not only her home but the deaths of her parents. She's burned out, depressed, and needs therapy.
And here you come with: get a job because my provisions aren't enough to take care of the kids' futures.
When a woman has to steer while resenting the fact that she's steering, she'll either mutiny or hop aboard a better ship.
So I guess I would say that a lot of the thread has focused on her needing therapy and support, and I agree. But what might you identify in yourself that needs addressing? Where has your leadership faltered? How might you show up differently, not as the agreeable husband who wishes for harmony but as the man who can lead?
Because until you change, this dynamic won't.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:46 am to SquatchDawg
I've seen this exact situation happen to someone I was close with. Stay at home mom, kids become independent, no longer has a purpose, looks for purpose with "friends" (usually recently divorced women who are planting bad seeds in their head). I think Facebook has ruined the stay at home moms and their sense of what is real and what is fake. They see other women posting about how great their lives are, but never the ugly stuff.
With that being said, I do not believe this is the end for y'all. There is a path to happiness. Menopause is likely a factor and needs to be addressed. But also as a husband and a man, you need to love her through it. Church is a great place to start. Small groups with people going through the same thing. The power of prayer, and a relationship with God will bring you closer. God is for us, never against us. Stay strong my friend.
With that being said, I do not believe this is the end for y'all. There is a path to happiness. Menopause is likely a factor and needs to be addressed. But also as a husband and a man, you need to love her through it. Church is a great place to start. Small groups with people going through the same thing. The power of prayer, and a relationship with God will bring you closer. God is for us, never against us. Stay strong my friend.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:48 am to SquatchDawg
my wife was in a similar situation in her 1st marriage. her mom passed, and they were extremely close and it took her a while to come out of her shell. about a year or so. then right when she was getting back on the horse, her FIL fell ill and eventually died. instead of being there for her husband, she went the opposite direction not wanting to grieve through all of that.
she's not a drinker, not a partier, and she's admitted what she did was 100% selfish and the reason for her eventual divorce. she's a good wife, a good mom and an overall good person. she needed to find herself on her timeline i guess.
not that any of that helps you, but, maybe give it a few days to settle down. reassure you love for her, but somehow ease into the stress you're feeling by having to carry to load and that now, more than ever, your marriage needs both of you to step up. easier said than done, especially if she's drinking more and more and in defense mode......but try to catch her on a good day. hell, i even tell my wife sometimes, i have something we need to get out in the open, so tell me when you're ready to hear it. but it has to be a 2 way convo and she needs to be understanding and receptive.
good luck homie. divorce sucks, for the kids more than anything.
she's not a drinker, not a partier, and she's admitted what she did was 100% selfish and the reason for her eventual divorce. she's a good wife, a good mom and an overall good person. she needed to find herself on her timeline i guess.
not that any of that helps you, but, maybe give it a few days to settle down. reassure you love for her, but somehow ease into the stress you're feeling by having to carry to load and that now, more than ever, your marriage needs both of you to step up. easier said than done, especially if she's drinking more and more and in defense mode......but try to catch her on a good day. hell, i even tell my wife sometimes, i have something we need to get out in the open, so tell me when you're ready to hear it. but it has to be a 2 way convo and she needs to be understanding and receptive.
good luck homie. divorce sucks, for the kids more than anything.
This post was edited on 6/27/25 at 7:49 am
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:48 am to RaginRampage
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With that being said, I do not believe this is the end for y'all. There is a path to happiness. Menopause is likely a factor and needs to be addressed. But also as a husband and a man, you need to love her through it. Church is a great place to start. Small groups with people going through the same thing. The power of prayer, and a relationship with God will bring you closer. God is for us, never against us. Stay strong my friend.
I’m not trying to be that guy. But why are we constantly babying and hand holding modern women? Old-School women would’ve just manned up and moved on with life and fulfilled their obligations. What happened?
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:52 am to theunknownknight
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What happened?
DV used to be more common than divorce
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:52 am to SquatchDawg
You all need to get into couple’s therapy ASAP. You’ll hear some things from her you never dreamed were going through her mind.
From personal experience, she’s probably trying to diagnose why she’s unhappy and she could decide you are the reason. She might have already decided to stick around for the sake of the kids until they are both in college and then divorce you. Her friends and social media will support her.
The drinking has to stop. Put a lock on your credit with Equifax, etc. Take a look at the cellphone bill when she’s with her friends and look if she’s making calls to a particular number at that time. Try to get her involved with selecting the son’s college choice - go on campus visits together, etc.
My advice is biased because of personal experience so take it for what it’s worth. Wishing your family the best.
From personal experience, she’s probably trying to diagnose why she’s unhappy and she could decide you are the reason. She might have already decided to stick around for the sake of the kids until they are both in college and then divorce you. Her friends and social media will support her.
The drinking has to stop. Put a lock on your credit with Equifax, etc. Take a look at the cellphone bill when she’s with her friends and look if she’s making calls to a particular number at that time. Try to get her involved with selecting the son’s college choice - go on campus visits together, etc.
My advice is biased because of personal experience so take it for what it’s worth. Wishing your family the best.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:54 am to SquatchDawg
We all go through some rough patches- that's just part of life, and no one is immune from them....Just remind her that she is needed- and loved. Chances are time will do what it usually does and heal her wounds.
Best of luck to you and your family, man.
Best of luck to you and your family, man.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 7:59 am to SquatchDawg
She needs to see a therapist and that will change her life. Seriously, sometime the only way to change is to talk it out with a third person. She misses her mom and dad and nothing will replace those feelings of loss. She will learn how to deal with her feelings and lack of motivation to be all she can be. She needs to get out of the rut.
I’ll have to say that the right combo of medication and therapy sessions will make a huge difference in how she moves forward. I went this route a while back and also dug into my faith in God as well. RIP MoM, Dad, MIL, and my lovely bride! Life is great!
I’ll have to say that the right combo of medication and therapy sessions will make a huge difference in how she moves forward. I went this route a while back and also dug into my faith in God as well. RIP MoM, Dad, MIL, and my lovely bride! Life is great!
Posted on 6/27/25 at 8:04 am to SquatchDawg
I think it's normal for women over time to rebel against being the homemaker.
My mother did it.
My wife is doing it.
Sounds like your wife needs a hobby. Ever thought about thrifting?
My mother did it.
My wife is doing it.
Sounds like your wife needs a hobby. Ever thought about thrifting?
Posted on 6/27/25 at 8:06 am to BobABooey
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The drinking has to stop
2-4 glasses of wine a night is the kiddie pool, it's way less than most of the OT pounds on nine holes. It's a symptom of her misery, trying to figure out when to get the divorce. I said it would happen sophomore year for the first one in college because that's when she'll rationalize that the youngest is really almost an adult anyway, etc.
Posted on 6/27/25 at 8:11 am to Oates Mustache
+1 on this. I would be very wary of her spending time with her “friends” for lunch or weekend getaways. Unfortunately that doesn’t pass the smell test good luck
Posted on 6/27/25 at 8:17 am to SquatchDawg
Tell her that for the sake of your family finances, if she doesn't get a job, then yoga, wine, lunch with gf's goes out the window. She's living in a fantasy world and neglecting you and the kids. Forget that.
Tell her to man up, stop acting like a depressed teenager and take care of herself. She is a wife and mother. That is her job. If she can't do that, then she can do doordash, or go wait table.
Tell her to man up, stop acting like a depressed teenager and take care of herself. She is a wife and mother. That is her job. If she can't do that, then she can do doordash, or go wait table.
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