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re: So Do you want Abortion to be illegal if it means Crime rates will sky rocket?
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:44 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:44 pm to Antonio Moss
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Nearly every study on this stuff shows that punishment, regardless of severity, does little to deter crime.
I raise you Nola and take a gander at the records if the teenagers that eventually commit multiple murders. They should never have been out to keep committing those crimes.
It’s really a small percentage of constant repeat offenders.
Or that guy that killed the Asian woman was out after killing someone else.
But go ahead.
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:47 pm to lsu13lsu
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We should offer Poor people $10,000 if they will get a vasectomy or tubes tied. That seems like a much better idea.
Boom! Erryone who is on public assistance or any type of disability should be offered this.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:52 pm to WG_Dawg
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Isn't there a 3rd option for, Idk...punishing crime appropriately?
Not for liberals or libertarians.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:54 pm to TutHillTiger
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TutHillTiger
This post was edited on 4/14/22 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:57 pm to notiger1997
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How about we give folks who have proven to be useless baby makers and are criminals a $2,000 payment if they agree to be sterilized?
Posted on 4/14/22 at 1:58 pm to TigerBlazer
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That republicans are actively trying to abolish
Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:00 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I’m sorry but I’m not one of those "a human life begins the moment the sperm enters the egg" folks.
Why do you hate science?
I'm sorry yall went through what you did. But surely you heard your baby's heartbeat long before you lost the pregnancy.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:23 pm to TutHillTiger
Crime sky rockets already, and it will continue to no matter if abortion is legal or illegal, because it’s got nothing to do with births, and everything to do with a spiritual decline in society, an abandonment of our Judeo Christian Morality, and an empty vacuum chamber of nothingness that has taken it’s place.
But besides all that, if you are asking me if I am willing to exchange my soul and doing what is right in not taking the life of a baby so that we don’t have an even larger spike in crime, then the answer is NO. Taking the life of a child is no better than taking the life of another person. I’m a human, not God. That’s His business, not mine. My job is to declare Him, put my trust in Him, and let Him do His will.
The crime problem isn’t in pregnancies and babies, but in having sex when you cannot afford the effects of child birth that comes from it. If you can’t afford the consequences, then don’t have sex, or take precautions at the very least. Don’t have sex and then when you end up pregnant and don’t want to inconvenience yourself, make the child pay for it with it’s very life. There’s nothing more selfish than that.
This, as well as most all of our problems in society, can be attributed to our own lack of accountability we wish to take upon ourselves and do what is right. I’m certainly not unfeeling for someone who got themselves in a predicament and got pregnant when they cannot take care of them, but that does not mean it’s an argument for killing a little child in it’s mother’s womb. There are options available, but none many people want to hear, like putting the child up for adoption.
But besides all that, if you are asking me if I am willing to exchange my soul and doing what is right in not taking the life of a baby so that we don’t have an even larger spike in crime, then the answer is NO. Taking the life of a child is no better than taking the life of another person. I’m a human, not God. That’s His business, not mine. My job is to declare Him, put my trust in Him, and let Him do His will.
The crime problem isn’t in pregnancies and babies, but in having sex when you cannot afford the effects of child birth that comes from it. If you can’t afford the consequences, then don’t have sex, or take precautions at the very least. Don’t have sex and then when you end up pregnant and don’t want to inconvenience yourself, make the child pay for it with it’s very life. There’s nothing more selfish than that.
This, as well as most all of our problems in society, can be attributed to our own lack of accountability we wish to take upon ourselves and do what is right. I’m certainly not unfeeling for someone who got themselves in a predicament and got pregnant when they cannot take care of them, but that does not mean it’s an argument for killing a little child in it’s mother’s womb. There are options available, but none many people want to hear, like putting the child up for adoption.
This post was edited on 4/14/22 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:29 pm to WG_Dawg
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Isn't there a 3rd option for, Idk...punishing crime appropriately?
making it easier to adopt might help cut down on abortion #'s. Folks need to put as much effort in to this as they do towards outright banning it.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:35 pm to TutHillTiger
Any anti-abortionists game for adopting the spawn of these unions?
NJ inmates at women's only prison pregnant after sex with 'another incarcerated person'
NJ inmates at women's only prison pregnant after sex with 'another incarcerated person'
Posted on 4/14/22 at 2:54 pm to Loup
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making it easier to adopt
This probably deserves a separate thread, but you are correct. This is a big problem.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:00 pm to Mike da Tigah
I am pretty sure George Carlin already nailed the essence of the problem. “ If you are pre-natal, you are golden; if you are preschool, you are F- ed. “
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:05 pm to TutHillTiger
You start expediting trials and hanging mfers like we should be it would help a lot. Not to mention more people need to be armed and trained in self defense.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:22 pm to WDE24
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Murdering someone before they might commit a crime isn’t really a solution to crime problems.
Kind of the current plot of Moon Knight
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:42 pm to Freauxzen
It’s not about having more people. It’s that someone who would be willing to have an abortion does not want that child. Therefore if forced to have it, it is way more likely said child grows up impoverished/not cared for, etc.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:48 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I’m not one of those "a human life begins the moment the sperm enters the egg" folks
“When does human life begin” is a question with an answer.
Refusing to consider the question and believing that is the moral high ground amounts to glorying in ignorance.
We as a society are doing exactly that, because people don’t want to control their urges or be held responsible.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:56 pm to TutHillTiger
It’s very easy to not get pregnant.
I will never support murdering unborn babies. Disgusting that you do.
I will never support murdering unborn babies. Disgusting that you do.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 3:59 pm to sabes que
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It’s not about having more people. It’s that someone who would be willing to have an abortion does not want that child. Therefore if forced to have it, it is way more likely said child grows up impoverished/not cared for, etc.
Correct.
I can in good conscience agree to banning abortion as a whole when we're not making an effort to make adoption easier, supporting our CHFS/CPS systems, and having a very frank conversation about what happens when you have kids who are not "desirable" to be adopted lingering in foster care for most of their lives.
I also don't support a bill that doesn't allow exceptions for incest or rape or for women whose lives are at risk due to the pregnancy. There is some of this legislation that consider an ectopic pregnancy as illegal as an "abortion" and that's insane. I also had the experience of working with a young woman at the age of 14 had to go to court to obtain the right to abort her father's baby (he had raped her multiple times). I have a very hard time accepting that she should've been forced to have that baby.
This post was edited on 4/14/22 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:09 pm to Antonio Moss
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Nearly every study on this stuff shows that punishment, regardless of severity, does little to deter crime.
meh
The countries with the lowest crime rates are either all white or have harsh sentencing.
Also, you lock people up and throw away the key, they aren't out committing crimes and aren't fathering children.
Posted on 4/14/22 at 4:09 pm to dgnx6
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So this is the rallying cry? Killing black babies lowers crime?
The argument is there, whether you agree with it or not.
Look up crime statistics by race, as well as abortion statistics by race, and you can see why the argument makes sense without too much deep thought
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