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Sign language at press conferences such as this
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:24 pm
Why? Is closed captioning not a standard option in 2023? We don’t have signers for tornado warnings, or WH press conferences, for example. What level of importance requires a signer? My guess is that it’s a sacred cow now or “monkey see, monkey do”. It’s distracting and has outlived its usefulness.
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Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:28 pm to Bamafig
Always makes me chuckle when I see sign language being given next to the speaker.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:31 pm to Bamafig
Do they have closed captioning for the people attending the press conference too?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:31 pm to Bamafig
if they can learn to sign they can also learn to read lips, that seems like a basic requirement for the hearing impaired
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:32 pm to Bamafig
Probably lawyers involved.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:34 pm to Bamafig
Tornado Watch is very offensive to blind folks of color.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:35 pm to Btrtigerfan
Don’t get me started on the HERicanes.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:36 pm to Bamafig
The sign language industry has our government by the balls. Big sign language will never give up their seat of power to the little guys like closed captioning
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:37 pm to Bamafig
The Mayor of Nashville is a left wing Democrat named Cooper, which automatically qualifies him as an idiot based on his family's genetics.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:51 pm to Bamafig
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:56 pm to keakar
quote:Learn to be a decent human being. Basic requirement for life.
they can learn to sign they can also learn to read lips, that seems like a basic requirement for the hearing impaired
Posted on 3/27/23 at 4:59 pm to Bamafig
There are also many talk-to-text apps made specifically for the deaf.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:31 pm to SUB
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Do they have closed captioning for the people attending the press conference too?
Do news organizations have a habit of hiring deaf people to attend press conferences? Are they going to hire blind sportscasters too?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:38 pm to Bamafig
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What level of importance requires a signer?
It’s a form of virtue signaling. I’m not saying it doesn’t have some usefulness (maybe), but none of the signers are there because someone was genuinely concerned about the extremely unlikely occurrence of a deaf attendee or some deaf person who somehow had a TV without closed captioning.
Or it’s “monkey see, monkey do” and the organizer thinks it makes things look more important because they saw some other event do it.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:47 pm to Bamafig
100% on board with you; I can't watch a show with British people in it without closed captioning, and it ... works. Yet we have to have people sign during BS press conferences? 100% virtue signaling. Microsoft Translate can literally translate what I say in real time, even without Internet access, and we have to pay someone to sign? Keep it simple, stupid. CC is simple, and mostly largely automated. Even people that aren't deaf that speak English are likely to need CC for Irish/Scottish/Northern England accents.
Kinda like how if you're from the Chalmette, I don't need to ask where you're from after three words come out of your mouth.
Kinda like how if you're from the Chalmette, I don't need to ask where you're from after three words come out of your mouth.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 5:59 pm to SUB
How many deaf people go to press conferences?
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:24 pm to LemmyLives
I find it hard to believe you're serious. If you want to argue on the grounds of there aren't enough deaf people to warrant signing, fine. But to say there's no usefulness is...I don't know what to call it really. Wrong?
What about deaf people actually at the event?
What about deaf people in public who want to know what's going on, but don't have access to turn on captions?
You mention talk to sign apps, what if the person on stage has an accent and the app misinterprets?
It's shocking how many people are saying it's useless, almost as if they've been fed a talking point. Why there are people signing at the podium has to be one of the most common sense questions I've ever encountered.
One of America's proudest achievements is the advancement in access to basic services for people who are disabled. We are a world leader in this regard. How is helping people out who might be deaf and want to know what's going on virtue signaling?
What about deaf people actually at the event?
What about deaf people in public who want to know what's going on, but don't have access to turn on captions?
You mention talk to sign apps, what if the person on stage has an accent and the app misinterprets?
It's shocking how many people are saying it's useless, almost as if they've been fed a talking point. Why there are people signing at the podium has to be one of the most common sense questions I've ever encountered.
One of America's proudest achievements is the advancement in access to basic services for people who are disabled. We are a world leader in this regard. How is helping people out who might be deaf and want to know what's going on virtue signaling?
This post was edited on 3/27/23 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:37 pm to Odysseus32
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But to say there's no usefulness is
Someone has to pay for the translation. A Dominican woman in Queens would probably like another cop on her block, just guessing.
The app misinterprets? Are you kidding? I've translated "Are these chicken feet or chicken meat" in Hangul in an app, the the woman working at the grocery store in Korea knew exactly what it meant.
Turn on CC in Netflix or Hulu, and see what happens. There will be apostrophes in the wrong place, and certain uses of verbs which aren't quite right, but it's perfectly fine, especially when you have a press conference (which also has a transcript published) where a politician says nothing.
How many braille books are in your local county library? Does anyone care, since you can check out audio books through Libby?
Your selective outrage, again, does not take into account that everything needs to be paid for at the explicit expense of some other government service.
From the wildly exclusive state of NY, I'll quote exactly that they say deaf people complain about, and hint, it's not council meetings, and press conferences.
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Through local meetings, AIM learned the three biggest concerns of deaf individuals are:
•Having hospitals provide an interpreter for the deaf
•Interacting with law enforcement
•Local schools not interacting with deaf parents by video phone, TTY or text message in cases of emergency
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:44 pm to LemmyLives
Have y’all every watched close capturing on the fly. It’s not great. This helps more people than you realize. I swear of all the things to complain about. You should see the number of people that show up to the church I attend because this is a service that is provided.
Posted on 3/27/23 at 6:59 pm to LemmyLives
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Turn on CC in Netflix or Hulu, and see what happens. There will be apostrophes in the wrong place, and certain uses of verbs which aren't quite right, but it's perfectly fine, especially when you have a press conference (which also has a transcript published) where a politician says nothing.
I don't agree with this at all.
My wife and I watch TV with subtitles on and there are times when the caption is so wrong to the point that if you didn't know the tone of what was being said you wouldn't have context. Maybe not verbatim, but there have been times I've mentioned that if a deaf person was watching a show, they would be confused.
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The app misinterprets? Are you kidding? I've translated "Are these chicken feet or chicken meat" in Hangul in an app, the the woman working at the grocery store in Korea knew exactly what it meant.
Okay, that's great for your interaction. Would you agree that it's possible that the app might misinterpret something? You're implying that it's ludicrous to think technology wouldn't work as intended.
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Someone has to pay for the translation. A Dominican woman in Queens would probably like another cop on her block, just guessing.
You bolded this as if it's not something I thought about. It was actually what I considered the most before responding. The overall value of having that service available is definitely worth it, both directly and indirectly. If you want to talk about the value of government and shortsightedness when it comes to taxpayer dollars, I can think of about a hundred more useless things from which to reroute funds before we start taking away services for the disabled.
I also think you're misintepreting my tone. It's not outrage more than it is befuddlement that people are upset that we are a country that offers sign-lamguage during press conferences.
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From the wildly exclusive state of NY, I'll quote exactly that they say deaf people complain about, and hint, it's not council meetings, and press conferences.
Why would they have concern about a need that's being met? I think it actually speaks to my point that the top concern you listed is having available interpreters.
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