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re: Shooter reported at Texas' Santa Fe High School: At least 9 dead
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:33 am to Houma Sapien
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:33 am to Houma Sapien
Banning guns or focusing on mental health are about as useless as trying to hold together a sinking ship with duct tape and band-aids.
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:33 am to Klark Kent
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probably because the folks on the other side of the isle just as quickly jump to "ban guns" without factoring in mental health, fatherless homes, medication, etc, etc, etc.
Look, I'm not a "ban all guns" person, but it's crazy to me that for a lot of people we are not allowed to discuss the gun aspect of these tragedies, even though it's the one proven common factor throughout. Why can't it even be talked about instead of shrugging our shoulders and trying to misdirect?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:34 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Wow, so now you are calling for shotgun bans? That has NEVER been included in various gun control proposals
I'm not calling for anything. I'm only having a discussion.
This is a somewhat country-fied area. Well could have been a shotgun used for hunting that the kid's had for 10 years.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:34 am to lsupride87
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Pick your poison:
1. Guns
I think it's a combination of that and shitty parents when it comes to school shootings. Parents don't know what their kids are up to and some are too dumb to know that they need to lock up their guns if they have kids in their house.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:34 am to sicboy
quote:Im with you
Look, I'm not a "ban all guns" person, but it's crazy to me that for a lot of people we are not allowed to discuss the gun aspect of these tragedies, even though it's the one proven common factor throughout. Why can't it even be talked about instead of shrugging our shoulders and trying to misdirect?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:34 am to 50_Tiger
CNBC just said death toll 9 now.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:34 am to sicboy
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I love that this is the new token narrative, even though it has never been proven that a majority of these shooters suffered from mental health issues.
Okay, a-hole. What do you think is the solution then?
If you wake up one day and think "Hey, I want to go kill innocent people in a church, school, club etc." you probably have at least one mental health issue.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:34 am to LSUFanHouston
quote:i was just answering your question. a knife can be just as deadly. this isnt a weapon issue. Look at london and trying to ban knives because of all the knife violence.
I wonder how Chinese school security compares to our schools. I wonder how long it took him to kill 9 by knife... vs the guy in Santa Fe killing 8 (at least) by gun.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to Landmass
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This is a culture issue. How many years have guns been legal? Nothing has changed there. What has changed is a generation of kids growing up with a lack of moral guidance, violent video games, music and movies that promote violence, and when they have issues, they are told to take a safe space cry. There's no accountability or set of standards to mold these kids into decent humans. This is what happens in such a selfish and me first society as we have in modern America.
I was with you until this part. I know a safe space is a favorite buzzword, but these folks probably would do this if they had somewhere to turn. Being a hard arse to someone with mental issues isn't the answer.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to Landmass
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How many years have guns been legal?
It was pretty hard to pull off a mass shooting with a muzzleloader
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:i think its a two pronged issue. we as a society do a very poor job at recognizing people who need attention and help. we also give them access to guns. we as a society need to figure out a better way to deal with both
The real problem is figuring out why we're such a violent society in general.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to weagle99
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your position is that legal abortion, promoted by certain parts of society, along with a constant stream of death in media has made us cherish life more over time? That is your position?
murder, killing, genocide, etc. has been a part of human history forever... we, as a species, have done atrocious things to each other for eons, so to try to make it seem as if it's because of video games and abortion being legal is fallacy...
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to lsupride87
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So your literal argument is we should do absolutely nothing? Not even worth discussing correct?
People don’t really want to hear the answer.
The answer is to get God back in our lives. It’s the absence of Him that is causing all of this.
Just trace our steps back in this country and you’ll find when all this stuff started to unravel in this country.
The guns aren’t the problem. The people are the problem.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to sicboy
so, bringing in other known common factors into the argument is considered "shrugging our shoulders and trying to misdirect". got it.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to Houma Sapien
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This is what Republicans cry every time there is a mass shooting, yet nothing is ever done. Please lay out in specifics what your "focus on mental health" plan is.
Remove government welfare.
Promote nuclear families again by:
Incentivize through tax breaks.
Stop catering to single moms who make bad decisions.
Fix court system so fathers and husbands don't get screwed.
Hold parents accountable for the way their child acts in school.
Give businesses a reason to pay their employees more, so that more homes can go back to one parent home / one parent working system.
Change the culture. Mental health is an issue but not the cause.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:35 am to sicboy
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even though it has never been proven that a majority of these shooters suffered from mental health issues.
Wut
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:36 am to weagle99
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So your position is that legal abortion
Has reduced the crime rate. There is a freakonomics discussion on this topic.
Most aborted kids would have grown up without two parent figures in poor communities, probably as unwanted children, and we know all about the links between those types of kids, and crime.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:36 am to Klark Kent
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the mass shooters have been on some flavor of depression medication
I agree that's a big part of the problem. We are an over-medicated society. Pharma gotta make that money regardless of potential side effects.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:36 am to Houma Sapien
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This is what Republicans cry every time there is a mass shooting, yet nothing is ever done. Please lay out in specifics what your "focus on mental health" plan is.
And the Democrat cry is to ban guns while ignoring that guns have always been readily available since the founding of the country yet for some reason it’s only recently that kids started taking them to school and shooting their classmates. Something has changed and it’s not “access” to guns. Kids have always had access to guns. So what’s changed that makes so many of them decide to take them to school and and go on killing sprees?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:36 am to DemonKA3268
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Here's a question for discussion. Do you think trying to eliminate guns will stop bad people from using them?
Admitting we have a problem and thinking we shoul try to solve it doesn’t inherently mean... ban guns.
We have a societal problem and we need to look for answers
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