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re: Shooter reported at Texas' Santa Fe High School: At least 9 dead
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:07 pm to MSMHater
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:07 pm to MSMHater
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Effectively, and probably rightfully so, burying the story of the psycho shooting up a Trump hotel this morning too. Political lunacy is rampant on both sides.
Trust me, if the kid had been following Huffington Post, MSNBC, ANTIFA accounts, i would’ve just changed the wording of my post to “this kid’s followings on Insta is every conservative’s wet dream”. If that were the case, there would prob already be a 10 page stickied thread on the Poli board about “the left” created this monster
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:07 pm to chRxis
I support a gun violence restraining order
Google the idea
I think it is fair
Google the idea
I think it is fair
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:08 pm to GCTiger11
No argument
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:08 pm to tigerskin
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Can I get a summary? Thanks
For FoxNews watchers: mentally ill student kills other students.
For CNN/other news show watchers:
Student takes gun and shoots other students.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:08 pm to SabiDojo
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If Columbine never occurred, there would have been a different school shooting which would have given us the fallout we have today. Evil and opportunity will always exist. All we can do is our best to limit the damage.
Maybe, but prior to Columbine, you're hard pressed to find many mass school shootings with random targets. That wasn't really a thing.
I think it's important to separate mass shootings like the UT sniper from school shootings by students, but maybe they shouldn't be.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:08 pm to rowbear1922
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I have no issues with more restrictions (like having a permit that must be renewed every few years just like a driver's licence),
Which states don't require renewal?
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waiting periods,
I personally don't like the idea of waiting periods. If you feel the need to purchase a gun for safety, a waiting period only hurts you, especially if your need to purchase a handgun was brought upon by some sudden external event (angry boyfriend, neighborhood thug, etc).
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:11 pm to SabiDojo
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Which states don't require renewal?
I am saying similar to a driver's licence, someone owning guns should have to take a course, pass, then every few years renew the permit.
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I personally don't like the idea of waiting periods. If you feel the need to purchase a gun for safety, a waiting period only hurts you, especially if your need to purchase a handgun was brought upon by some sudden external event (angry boyfriend, neighborhood thug, etc).
A minimum of a 5-7 day waiting period would stop some crime violence of passion where people buy a gun then that night kill their lover over something that happened earlier that day. If you are so pissed at someone you will buy a gun and kill them, I would hope after 5-7 days they could calm down and level heads would prevail.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:12 pm to chRxis
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some are illegal, sure.
No, the majority of them are.
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and you can't get EVERY gun off the street, that much we know... but why can't we take the necessary measures to try to PREVENT it from happening in the future?
I think it comes down to a bad philosophy, that government can somehow legislate all problems away. There are many other things at play here: single parent homes, poverty, desensitized by constant exposure to violence and sex, alienation/depression, and toxic culture. I think addressing these problems, and not necessarily through legislation, can have a profound positive impact.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:13 pm to rowbear1922
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Banning guns
again, i've never said "ban guns"... not sure why this keeps getting assumed...
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I have no issues with more restrictions (like having a permit that must be renewed every few years just like a driver's licence), waiting periods, etc.
cool... and i'd assume most gun enthusiasts would feel the same way, honestly...
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What I do have a problem with is banning a gun that accounts for less than 3% of all gun crime (I know this shooting hasn't gotten into the AR debate yet but it's coming too).
would you not agree that maybe these types of guns, semi-automatics, whatever, should be EXTREMELY regulated, so it's not as easy to end up in 17 year olds hands? maybe a serial number for each gun, registered specifically to that individual, and if that gun is stolen or lost, it's the owner's responsibility to report it or face the consequence of being responsible if that gun is used in some sort of gun violence? i say that because obviously a gun can be bought legally, then resold to someone illegally... so transfer the registration to the new owner, or report it lost or stolen, or assume responsibility of the gun regardless...
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:13 pm to chRxis
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maybe i am... dunno..... but is it wrong to want the best for everyone in society, and for there to be as little gun violence, or violence, in general, as possible?
There is nothing wrong with wanting that, but there are far more effective ways to curb violence in this country that would violate core fundamental rights and which a majority of the population would strongly oppose. The issue is not the lack of a solution, it's the lack of a solution that does not involve at least some infringement on freedoms.
We could ban guns tomorrow, confiscate all known guns, prohibit the manufacturing or sale of guns in this country and gun violence would decrease.
We could also allow carte blanche government surveillance on every aspect of our lives and the incarceration of anyone showing any signs of violent tendencies and we would see a decrease in gun violence.
One of these options is seen as viable and the other is seen as preposterous.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:14 pm to rowbear1922
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I am saying similar to a driver's licence, someone owning guns should have to take a course, pass, then every few years renew the permit.
Lots of states have this already in place. And I'm pretty sure most states require one to renew their permit every 3 to 5 years.
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A minimum of a 5-7 day waiting period would stop some crime violence of passion where people buy a gun then that night kill their lover over something that happened earlier that day. If you are so pissed at someone you will buy a gun and kill them, I would hope after 5-7 days they could calm down and level heads would prevail.
If you wanted to commit a crime of passion and if you had to wait a week for the medium, chances are you will just find a different medium. I hear knives work well.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:15 pm to SabiDojo
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There are many other things at play here: single parent homes, poverty, desensitized by constant exposure to violence and sex, alienation/depression, and toxic culture.
i agree with you here...
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I think addressing these problems, and not necessarily through legislation, can have a profound positive impact.
now, who's the idealist?
i think it needs to be both... address the mental health deficiency of society outliers, and restrict the supply
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:15 pm to SabiDojo
Confirmed by law enforcement that suspect is 17 year old Dimitrios Pagourtzis.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:16 pm to GEAUXmedic
More explosives found on campus as well.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:17 pm to slackster
quote:Nah. They're may not be as many, but if you Wiki Mass shootings in the US, there were quite a few with random shooting before Columbine.
Maybe, but prior to Columbine, you're hard pressed to find many mass school shootings with random targets. That wasn't really a thing.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:17 pm to chRxis
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would you not agree that maybe these types of guns, semi-automatics, whatever, should be EXTREMELY regulated, so it's not as easy to end up in 17 year olds hands? maybe a serial number for each gun, registered specifically to that individual, and if that gun is stolen or lost, it's the owner's responsibility to report it or face the consequence of being responsible if that gun is used in some sort of gun violence? i say that because obviously a gun can be bought legally, then resold to someone illegally... so transfer the registration to the new owner, or report it lost or stolen, or assume responsibility of the gun regardless...
Every gun I own is semi-auto from pistols to shotguns and long rifles. I personally would never let someone else have any of my guns. If they were stolen, yes I would report, A.) for insurance purposes and B.) for the exact reason you are talking, so no one else could use my gun and somehow it comes back to me as the suspect.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:17 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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2 or 3 mass shootings a year in a small country like Norway is not insignificant That’s the entire point of standardizing across countries
Measuring the death rate per million is from 2009 through 2015 is ridiculous.
Norway had a single attack that killed 77 people.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:19 pm to SabiDojo
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Which states don't require renewal?
Louisiana unless you are referring to a CCL. There's no such thing as a gun permit here.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:19 pm to chRxis
may be time for the OP to update 1st post
Posted on 5/18/18 at 12:19 pm to SabiDojo
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Lots of states have this already in place. And I'm pretty sure most states require one to renew their permit every 3 to 5 years.
Louisiana is not one of them.
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If you wanted to commit a crime of passion and if you had to wait a week for the medium, chances are you will just find a different medium. I hear knives work well.
I agree with you here but I think some of the murder then suicides would be less common. I don't see someone stabbing themselves to death (although in these cases I would prefer for the person to off themselves so the tax payers dont have to pay for that individual to rot in a jail)
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