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re: Seventy-three years ago today, August 9, 1945...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:35 am to GrammarKnotsi
Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:35 am to GrammarKnotsi
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Posted on 8/9/18 at 10:58 am to L1C4
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Not really our country's proudest moment in mho.
I have not read through every reply so this may already have been posted.. but you have to remember, Japan could have surrendered after the 1st one..
Say (and think) what you want... but the dropping of those bombs, as shocking as it was, is an act of mercy for both sides of the conflict. I would suggest in retrospect a brilliant move strategically..
If we had invaded Japan, the cost in lives and resources could have arguably removed us as a world player during the cold war...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:19 am to tommy2tone1999
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Before that. Germany was in the process of developing their own nuclear weapon and would have surely used it on Great Britain or possible the USA.
Germany was defeated before we dropped the bombs so that doesn’t really work.
But it Germany wasn’t defeated by the summer of 1945 or was in a stronger position then they probably do use it. They were already using new technology like the V1 and and V2 missiles on the UK.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:39 am to L1C4
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I wonder how many american lives it saved.
I wonder how many Japanese lives it saved.
According to Bill O'Reilly's book Japan had a 32,000,000 member militia armed with everything from conventional weapons to bows and arrows. Based on the way that they had fought in an attempt to keep Pacific islands there is no telling what they would have done to protect their homeland.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 11:51 am to The Boat
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Germany was defeated before we dropped the bombs so that doesn’t really work.
Meh. His point was had Germany finished theirs they would’ve used it probably at least on London. Don’t think they would’ve been able to use it on the US short of strapping it to a U boat and surfacing in New York Harbor.
Patton, arguably, was right. The bigger threat was the USSR. And you could make a legitimate case that the bombs were as much a statement to the Soviet’s as they were to Japan.
Still think Truman absolutely made the right call. You can’t deal with an enemy with an extreme psychological motivation in conventional ways.
Just think if Stalin doesn’t scrap his atomic research when the nazis invade they might have gotten to the bomb before we did. And if they nuke Berlin instead of capture Berlin, how different does that shake out the events in the Pacific?
This post was edited on 8/9/18 at 11:55 am
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:03 pm to elprez00
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Patton, arguably, was right. The bigger threat was the USSR. And you could make a legitimate case that the bombs were as much a statement to the Soviet’s as they were to Japan.
This is 100% correct and the reason why I said if we didn’t drop them in 1945 nuclear weapons would have been used eventually during the Cold War.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:24 pm to MorbidTheClown
.....Japan had to be told twice. The last time, they decided to listen.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:27 pm to geauxtigers87
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We killed 100,000 people in one night in Tokyo during a firebombing raid. You people who are apologists for dropping the a bomb need to learn some history. The Asia pacific war had reached a level of violence by 1945 which is almost incomprehensible today
I am by no means an apologist. I realize that everyone alive today stands on the backs of a Rapers and reavers, killers and thieves, we only exist because those who had the intestinal fortitude to take and claim for their own did so
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:29 pm to L1C4
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Don't call me unamerican because I'm not, but we incinerated thousands of innocent women and children.
Would you have preferred even more Americans and Japanese die through a prolonging of the war?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:30 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
The true "Shock and Awe".
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:51 pm to L1C4
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I wonder how many american lives it saved.
well, they are still issuing purple hearts today that were made in preparation for the Japanese invasion?
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:53 pm to L1C4
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I wonder how many american lives it saved.
Its still saving lives to this day brother. Dont get it twisted.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:55 pm to L1C4
quote:I like to question our government's intentions as much as any other, but anyone who shares this opinion is just flat out wrong. They started it, we ended it, and both countries would've paid with a lot more lives if we hadn't.
Not really our country's proudest moment
Now, if you wanna go on about the Japanese internment camps, that's a pretty fricking low moment. But the atomic bombs needed to happen.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:57 pm to L1C4
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Not really our country's proudest moment in mho. I wonder how many american lives it saved.
who has ever claimed it was our proudest moment? ...
it certainly saved at least 1 american life, my father's ... so that's good enough for me ...
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:57 pm to Harry Caray
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anyone who shares this opinion is just flat out wrong
there seems to be at least 6 of these folks on this site.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 12:59 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
quote:..and by Russia declaring war on Japan a day earlier on August 8, 1945.
which was rendered moot by two atomic bombs.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:00 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
My dad was born.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:00 pm to LSURussian
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LSURussian
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and by Russia declaring war on Japan
hmmmm.
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:01 pm to elprez00
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The bigger threat was the USSR.
and that they were hell bent on their own invasion and land appropriation of Japan probably had as much to do with the Japanese surrender as the bombs did
Posted on 8/9/18 at 1:12 pm to L1C4
Don't start no shite,.. won't be no shite.
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