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re: Seattle City Council moved to replace entire police dept.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:46 pm to TH03
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:46 pm to TH03
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I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of people, left and right, do not wish to allow homeless in the street. The majority opinion is “we all agree we don’t want them there, but what is the solution?”
Bring back the Mental Institutions. This was Reagan's biggest screwup was dismantling them and forcing hundreds of thousands of mentally unstable people on the streets.
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:48 pm to BZ504
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Is Amazon gonna move their headquarters?
They'll have completed the move to Bellevue by 2023, but it wasn't this stupid fricking idea from the city council that caused them to move, it was a previous stupid fricking idea.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:48 pm to notiger1997
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They have very few problem areas and I don't see that really changing
Wait until someone puts up a billboard in North Baton Rouge informing the good citizens that there is no police force in Seattle and a one way ticket on Southwest is only $79.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The answer to reform is to end the war on drugs, but that ain't enough for commies.
I think that is certainly the biggest piece of reform, but that has to come from the top. I’m not sure if/when that will happen. I’m also of the mindset that drugs should be legal across the board. Makes them safer to obtain and use, and if people don’t use responsibly, it’s their own fault.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:50 pm to TH03
fair. but that isn't what this is being proposed by the Seattle City Council.
The council is endorsing the "Decriminalize Seattle" agenda that would replace the police force with:
–"Culturally-relevant expertise rooted in community connections"
–"Housing, food security, and other basic needs"
–"Trauma-informed, gender-affirming, anti-racist praxis"
this seems like a lot more than shifting a % of the police department's funding. at least that's how the linked document is reading.
and just because i'm feeling chatty.
if we're honest. all bets are off about the homeless population after the COVID-19 economic implosion. If this thing stretches into 2021, the homeless population is going to explode all over the country.
The council is endorsing the "Decriminalize Seattle" agenda that would replace the police force with:
–"Culturally-relevant expertise rooted in community connections"
–"Housing, food security, and other basic needs"
–"Trauma-informed, gender-affirming, anti-racist praxis"
this seems like a lot more than shifting a % of the police department's funding. at least that's how the linked document is reading.
and just because i'm feeling chatty.
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I can assure you that the overwhelming majority of people, left and right, do not wish to allow homeless in the street. The majority opinion is “we all agree we don’t want them there, but what is the solution?”
if we're honest. all bets are off about the homeless population after the COVID-19 economic implosion. If this thing stretches into 2021, the homeless population is going to explode all over the country.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:50 pm to TH03
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I’m also of the mindset that drugs should be legal across the board. Makes them safer to obtain and use, and if people don’t use responsibly, it’s their own fault.
You want to legalize substances that alter people's mental states and cause them to make questionable decisions when under its influence?
What kind of uncouth savage are you?
Now pardon me while I go crack open a tasty, perfectly legal beer.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:51 pm to Centinel
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They had a footprint there. Their main workforce is still within the Seattle city limits. After the city council's tax frickery, Amazon said frick it and is moving their entire workforce there by 2023.
This is factually incorrect. Amazon is moving 1 team there by 2023. There are no plans, at least public plans, for Amazon to move the vast majority of their Seattle workforce.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:52 pm to MrLSU
Let them! Will be an failure of epic proportions. They deserve it. Go Dims!
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:53 pm to Centinel
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You want to legalize substances that alter people's mental states and cause them to make questionable decisions when under its influence?
What kind of uncouth savage are you?
Now pardon me while I go crack open a tasty, perfectly legal beer.
Don’t get me started. And I’m in the business of booze.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:53 pm to Bard
TH
Sawant's defunding the SPD by 50% for 2020
50% reduction to SPD’s budget would force it to cut 681 of its 755 patrol officers in 2020.
$34.7 million to fund affordable working class housing in communities facing displacement and gentrification
$16.3 million for currently unfunded city services to backfill the deficit brought on by the COVID-19 crisis
$14.7 million to move the city’s 911 call center out of SPD’s purview and into civilian control
$15.5 million for black and brown restorative justice, as well as “other community programs”
$3 million to support black and brown community groups and develop alternative public safety models
$700,000 to renter organizing and eviction defense
$80,000 to a Green New Deal Oversight Board
Mayor Durkan & Best have proposed for 2021 to move an additional $76 million out of the SPD Budget.
Their own proposal involves a series of “common sense” measures designed to transfer “an initial set of SPD civilian functions” out of the department’s purview. That includes:
Moving $32 million out of SPD’s budget to have the city’s 911 call center operate outside of police control
Moving $13.7 million in civilian parking enforcement funding to place it under the control of the Seattle Department of Transportation
Moving $3.3 million to have the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) operate outside of the police department
Moving $4.5 million to have the Office of Police Accountability function under its own independent budget (while already functioning as an independent office, the OPA’s budget currently falls under SPD)
Sawant's defunding the SPD by 50% for 2020
50% reduction to SPD’s budget would force it to cut 681 of its 755 patrol officers in 2020.
$34.7 million to fund affordable working class housing in communities facing displacement and gentrification
$16.3 million for currently unfunded city services to backfill the deficit brought on by the COVID-19 crisis
$14.7 million to move the city’s 911 call center out of SPD’s purview and into civilian control
$15.5 million for black and brown restorative justice, as well as “other community programs”
$3 million to support black and brown community groups and develop alternative public safety models
$700,000 to renter organizing and eviction defense
$80,000 to a Green New Deal Oversight Board
Mayor Durkan & Best have proposed for 2021 to move an additional $76 million out of the SPD Budget.
Their own proposal involves a series of “common sense” measures designed to transfer “an initial set of SPD civilian functions” out of the department’s purview. That includes:
Moving $32 million out of SPD’s budget to have the city’s 911 call center operate outside of police control
Moving $13.7 million in civilian parking enforcement funding to place it under the control of the Seattle Department of Transportation
Moving $3.3 million to have the Office of Emergency Management (OEM) operate outside of the police department
Moving $4.5 million to have the Office of Police Accountability function under its own independent budget (while already functioning as an independent office, the OPA’s budget currently falls under SPD)
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:55 pm to notiger1997
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This is going to be awesome to watch unfold.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:57 pm to Klark Kent
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fair. but that isn't what this is being proposed by the Seattle City Council.
That’s why I’m asking for the actual full document because the OP with selected pages and sentences underlined just looks like a purposeful cut and paste job to fit a narrative. I couldn’t find the full thing, but I haven’t looked too hard yet.
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if we're honest. all bets are off about the homeless population after the COVID-19 economic implosion. If this thing stretches into 2021, the homeless population is going to explode all over the country.
Yep, and imo since it’s an issue of government creation via forced shut downs, the government should provide alternative solutions to people who can no longer afford housing.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:57 pm to TH03
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Most of these large cities have military equipment in the name of the war on drugs.
I'd like to see some proof of this. I keep seeing people like you spout this stuff as if PDs are running around in Bradleys and Hummers. I work for one of the largest Sheriff's offices in the state of Florida in a very prosperous county. Our sheriff is very generous about giving us great equipment, vehicles and uniforms. We don't have one piece of "military" equipment. The SWAT team has a specialized armored car (the Hulk) that gets used extremely infrequently. Been here 25+ years - all on road patrol - and I've seen the Hulk in action maybe 10 times.
This is one of those talking points anti-cop interweb types like to parrot with little basis in reality.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:58 pm to MrLSU
I can't believe none of y'all young guys here haven't though of moving there and start a rent a pig biz. The good neighbor hoods will need private Cops to keep them safe. Ground floor is now. 
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:59 pm to notiger1997
What’s happening in this country is very reminiscent of Pol Pot’s takeover of Cambodia in 1975. Pol Pot was Parisian educated, an extreme ideologue and the smartest guy he knew. He recruited very young, naive but very brutal Khmers to enforce his extreme plans to transform Cambodia. Half of the country’s population died within 3 years.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 12:59 pm to MrLSU
It'll be interesting to see the results the first time a social worker is called to handle a domestic dispute between two people tweaked out on meth.
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Seattle would be better off taking that $20M and literally setting it on fire.
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$15.5 million for black and brown restorative justice, as well as “other community programs”
$3 million to support black and brown community groups and develop alternative public safety models
$700,000 to renter organizing and eviction defense
$80,000 to a Green New Deal Oversight Board
Seattle would be better off taking that $20M and literally setting it on fire.
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:00 pm to MrLSU
Yeah I saw that first one when googling but didn’t know if it was this same proposition. I think that $30mil to various things just labeled “black and brown people” needs a looooooot more in depth explanation.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:00 pm to MrLSU
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$15.5 million for black and brown restorative justice, as well as “other community programs”
$3 million to support black and brown community groups and develop alternative public safety models
$700,000 to renter organizing and eviction defense
$80,000 to a Green New Deal Oversight Board
so.....
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:01 pm to jlovel7
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Let them. It’s their government.
Yep, but don't call Uncle Sam to give you money when things go awry.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 1:02 pm to TH03
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That’s why I’m asking for the actual full document because the OP with selected pages and sentences underlined just looks like a purposeful cut and paste job to fit a narrative. I couldn’t find the full thing, but I haven’t looked too hard yet.
I live in Seattle and was skeptical of the OP also, because literally no local news sources have covered this.
I did find a reporter who linked to the document on twitter, but he's framing it as a longer-term proposal to explore the possibility of implementing the changes in the OP.
The full budget cuts that are likely to pass in a few weeks were released this morning are available at the below link (nothing in here about completely abolishing the police). There are still some terrible changes in here though, the most significant IMHO being the complete removal of the team that sweeps homeless encampments when they get out of control.
PDF of SPD Budget Proposals
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