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re: Seattle City Council moved to replace entire police dept.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:43 am to The Pirate King
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:43 am to The Pirate King
without law and order, a free society cannot exist.
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Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:43 am to windshieldman
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Saying bless your heart doesn’t make you right. They are held responsible by their citizens
They are supposed to be held responsible by their citizens.
In practice, they are absolutely not held responsible by anyone on the other side of the blue line.
It’s naive to think otherwise. If they were held responsible by the people, things like CAF and no knocks wouldn’t exist.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:44 am to Salmon
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you think they are going to leave because of this?
Amazon is leaving Seattle for Bellevue
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:45 am to Salmon
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so you predict Seattle will see a loss in population in the next 10 years?
Seattle has been one of the fastest growing areas in the country the last decade
A lot of businesses have left the city since the council passed ordinances that prevent the cops from removing vagrants and arresting anyone for petty theft. Retailers essentially have to let bums camp out, shoot up, shite, and harass customers in front of their businesses and can't do anything about people coming in and taking what they want. That's a guaranteed way to drive people and business out of town.
They won't disband the police, but they'll likely neuter them even more than they are right now which is going to lead to a pretty significant shift out of the city if this is left unchecked.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:45 am to notiger1997
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They have very few problem areas and I don't see that really changing. Of course the few bad areas are going to get worse, but there just really aren't that many lowlife criminals like we have in our cities here.
I would disagree they have a very large lowlife criminal element which subsists mainly on heroin and meth. Seattle has the highest crime rate in the US at 60 crimes per 1k but you are correct in that it isn't as violent as other cities.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:46 am to MrLSU
If I am reading this right this is just a resolution to create another public department. I didn't see anything that said this will replace the police. Am I missing the language that says replace/abolish the police department.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:47 am to teke184
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I wouldn’t worry about the first responders
When first responders stop responding to certain calls due to people not trained enough to protect them people should start worrying. One of the paramedic Facebook groups I’m in, some from Minneapolis have already stated their protocols they will not respond unless it’s MPD, trained social workers they’ve been told isn’t enough for them to go into violent situations.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:47 am to Centinel
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Amazon is leaving Seattle for Bellevue
Amazon has already been in in Bellevue, just like most of the big tech companies
Bellevue has always been the big elite area
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:49 am to Salmon
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Amazon has already been in in Bellevue, just like most of the big tech companies
They had a footprint there. Their main workforce is still within the Seattle city limits. After the city council's tax frickery, Amazon said frick it and is moving their entire workforce there by 2023.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:50 am to TH03
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All public police forces are held responsible by their citizens
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Bless your heart.
The NAACP of North Alabama gave a list of demands to the mayors, police chiefs, etc. of the area shortly after the Floyd riots started.
They had 10 or so demands on the list. Nearly everything they demanded, including a "Citizen oversight committee" is already in place. However, despite PDs and leaders in the area many times soliciting people to take part in the programs, those type programs have floundered. They are still technically a thing, but they have generated very little legitimate interest from the community.
That NAACP list was a disingenuous farce, as those who were responsible for putting it together knew good and damn well most everything they were demanding was already being done. They either didn't care enough to verify it, or they are outright liars pushing an agenda.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:51 am to TH03
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If they were held responsible by the people, things like CAF and no knocks wouldn’t exist.
The people elect the the mayors who hire the police chiefs. If the citizens don’t care they can’t hold the police department accountable. Bitching on FB doesn’t hold them accountable. Enough people go to the mayor or police chief’s office and demand change they will change or explain their reasonings.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:51 am to upgrayedd
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A lot of businesses have left the city since the council passed ordinances that prevent the cops from removing vagrants and arresting anyone for petty theft. Retailers essentially have to let bums camp out, shoot up, shite, and harass customers in front of their businesses and can't do anything about people coming in and taking what they want. That's a guaranteed way to drive people and business out of town.
The proposal to shift funding from police to housing for these people is to try to address this.
Whether or not it will be successful is one thing, but it is something they’re trying to fix.
I know in Austin, police will come through every couple months and clear out encampments under the highways and such only for them to return a couple days later. It’s impossible to constantly enforce because the police have other more pressing issues to deal with.
Better to have a community group take them in and either help them or let them OD. Either way, they aren’t in the streets. The issue here is that it’s been working too well so homeless in other cities come in to get the same help creating a situation where more homeless are housed than ever before but there’s also more homeless than ever before.
You can’t just go through arresting/clearing spots without a plan of what to do with those people. You just move the “nest” to another area or clear it for a couple days.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:51 am to Centinel
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After the city council's tax frickery, Amazon said frick it and is moving their entire workforce there by 2023.
I'm aware. But that is a tax isssue, which they have been fighting for several years now, and has nothing to do with whatever they do with the police.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:52 am to TH03
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It’s naive to think otherwise. If they were held responsible by the people, things like CAF and no knocks wouldn’t exist.
I agree with holding police responsible for poor decisions and the harm of innocent civilians, but defunding/abolishing/shifting funds out from under police departments isn’t a viable solution. And never will be
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:54 am to MrLSU
Marxism.
When they get it implemented, this community led initiative will lead to hard left authoritarianism.
When they get it implemented, this community led initiative will lead to hard left authoritarianism.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:54 am to MrLSU
Doesn't this mean a Get Out of Jail Free card for anyone the Police signed off on?
And anyone convicted by the disgraced police department?
There's a great book store in Seattle, they probably don't have to worry about theft, but mayhem could be a problem for them.
And anyone convicted by the disgraced police department?
There's a great book store in Seattle, they probably don't have to worry about theft, but mayhem could be a problem for them.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:54 am to Salmon
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and has nothing to do with whatever they do with the police.
The point is this is another idiotic move by the city council that will further drive business away from the city proper. Their stupid decisions have already had an impact. This will increase that impact.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:55 am to Klark Kent
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but defunding/abolishing/shifting funds out from under police departments isn’t a viable solution. And never will be
If there is excessive waste, why not? Most of these large cities have military equipment in the name of the war on drugs. That’s a lot of money that could be freed up for more relevant usages.
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:55 am to TH03
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You can’t just go through arresting/clearing spots without a plan of what to do with those people. You just move the “nest” to another area or clear it for a couple days.
They exist in these areas because they're allowed to. It's just like the bay area. They're incentivized to migrate there by these massive welfare programs
Posted on 7/31/20 at 11:56 am to Centinel
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heir stupid decisions have already had an impact. This will increase that impact.
Only if no one fills those spots
I guess my point is that I don't see Seattle being a struggling city in 10 years, which is what most here seem to be suggesting
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