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Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:38 am to lsufanintexas
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overreaction by Missouri
Overreaction across the board with this nonsense. There are certainly some that deserve criminal charges but they're getting ridiculous.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 9:42 am to lsufanintexas
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I have a feeling public opinion is gonna side with the folks from Schlitterbahn on this one.
Perhaps. In their favor will be that 0.002% of the public will familiarize themselves with the case and/or read the indictment.
For the remainder of the public (including, presumably the jury), Schlitterbahn is frickED!!
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:01 am to Paddyshack
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Holy shite. I've been to Schlitterbahn like 9 times.
And lived to tell about it.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:03 am to lsufanintexas
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I as a parent could look at that ride and see it was dangerous for little kids. Hence I wouldn’t have let my kid ride it.
It wasn't safe for anyone. Not that any of you bothered to read the Indictment, which will tell you everything you need to know, but there were multiple documented instances of adult riders suffering concussions, broken bones, etc on this ride in the weeks leading up to this kid getting killed. The ride wasn't safe for anyone, period. The designers, manager, etc knew this and didn't give a shite. Hence the "reckless disregard for human life" element.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 10:10 am
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:14 am to JPinLondon
As discussed in the prior thread, this is only happening because it's a legislator's kid. Anyone who doesn't believe that is not being honest.
Kansas seems to have a relatively low threshold for what is considered murder / manslaughter.
I find it interesting that the leaders at Wells Fargo, after fraud and theft in the hundreds of millions of dollars from tons of people, won't face any charges, but these guys do.
The prosecutors better have damn high proof of fraud and negligence. I think this is one of those situations where if the defendants are found not guilty, the prosecutor should be fired and the defendants allowed to sue for damages. That's the only way to tamp down overzealous prosecutions.
Kansas seems to have a relatively low threshold for what is considered murder / manslaughter.
I find it interesting that the leaders at Wells Fargo, after fraud and theft in the hundreds of millions of dollars from tons of people, won't face any charges, but these guys do.
The prosecutors better have damn high proof of fraud and negligence. I think this is one of those situations where if the defendants are found not guilty, the prosecutor should be fired and the defendants allowed to sue for damages. That's the only way to tamp down overzealous prosecutions.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:16 am to JPinLondon
This is rediculous.
However anyone else wondering wtf the coowner of anythiing is doing in fricking brownsville texas?
However anyone else wondering wtf the coowner of anythiing is doing in fricking brownsville texas?
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:16 am to JPinLondon
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Try reading ~10 pages of the Miles indictment, beginning on ~p. 19; you will be sickened by the actions (and inaction and obstruction and cover-up)
Wow, that shows extreme negligence; I think it could easily be considered Murder-2 based on the definition that BHP quoted:
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killings caused by a reckless disregard for human life.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:18 am to Catman88
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However anyone else wondering wtf the coowner of anythiing is doing in fricking brownsville texas?
They have a location in South Padre.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:18 am to LSUFanHouston
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The prosecutors better have damn high proof of fraud and negligence. I think this is one of those situations where if the defendants are found not guilty, the prosecutor should be fired and the defendants allowed to sue for damages. That's the only way to tamp down overzealous prosecutions.
why don't you read the damn indictment before spouting off?
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:20 am to REG861
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why don't you read the damn indictment before spouting off?
I did read the indictment.
I'm also smart enough to know that indictments/grand juries are one sided and the defense is not allowed to contest anything.
As such, I tend to not believe many of them on the face.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:21 am to REG861
The indictment gives me all of the information I need. The prosecutor is probably going a little overboard on the charges, but it is worth it to try to get these guys the most possible jail time. They deserve it. The absolute neglect that they displayed in designing this slide just so they could be on the Travel Channel is absolutely ridiculous.
It also makes me extremely weary of waterparks in general if a ride like this with zero dynamic engineering performed can be cleared for use.
It also makes me extremely weary of waterparks in general if a ride like this with zero dynamic engineering performed can be cleared for use.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:22 am to REG861
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It wasn't safe for anyone. Not that any of you bothered to read the Indictment, which will tell you everything you need to know, but there were multiple documented instances of adult riders suffering concussions, broken bones, etc on this ride in the weeks leading up to this kid getting killed. The ride wasn't safe for anyone, period. The designers, manager, etc knew this and didn't give a shite. Hence the "reckless disregard for human life" element.
And they ignored all of that and actively covered it up because they wanted it to be on the travel channel show about water slides.
Also, Henry is the guy that designed it and he has zero credentials whatsoever. Did it by trial and error.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:22 am to LSUFanHouston
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I did read the indictment.
bullshite.
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I'm also smart enough to know that indictments/grand juries are one sided and the defense is not allowed to contest anything.
so the prosecutors just made up all the serious injuries sustained by specified individuals in the weeks the ride was open? Just fabricated them, or did they bribe people to lie about it?
A kid was decapitated on a waterslide. If you don't think that negligence (at the very least) contributed to this, there is something seriously wrong with you. Oh, are you friends with one the accused? That would explain a lot.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 10:42 am
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:24 am to REG861
After reading the indictment (see I did read it)...they are fricked.
Definitely covered up injuries and had knowledge that the ride was dangerous. Financially, I don't know how many millions they could afford to pay out. Also brings into the question...how did they have insurance? I would think an insurance company would not allow a ride to be operated that did not have proper engineering and design documented.
I'm still not sure they can make a murder charge - but definitely guilty of manslaughter. Not to mention all of the personal injury suits from any other riders injured that will now be back in play.
Definitely covered up injuries and had knowledge that the ride was dangerous. Financially, I don't know how many millions they could afford to pay out. Also brings into the question...how did they have insurance? I would think an insurance company would not allow a ride to be operated that did not have proper engineering and design documented.
I'm still not sure they can make a murder charge - but definitely guilty of manslaughter. Not to mention all of the personal injury suits from any other riders injured that will now be back in play.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 10:59 am to REG861
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so the prosecutors just made up all the serious injuries sustained by specified individuals in the weeks the ride was open? Just fabricated them, or did they bribe people to lie about it?
Nothing some of these prosecutors do surprises me. Again, the fact that the deceased is the son of a state legislator has to raise some red flags.
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Oh, are you friends with one the accused? That would explain a lot.
Have no idea who these people are... just have seen so many overzealous prosecutions over the years that I'm jaded. Maybe it's because i live in NOLA where this is a huge issue.
Are you a prosecutor? Are you THE prosecutor? You sure seem to have your panties wadded up here.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:01 am to FuzzyBearE
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I would think an insurance company would not allow a ride to be operated that did not have proper engineering and design documented.
I'm sure they did, or at least presented that to the insurer.
Also... when are we going to charge the government officials who reviewed this slide and approved it for use? If the company reps are guilty of negligence, so are they.
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Not to mention all of the personal injury suits from any other riders injured that will now be back in play.
Which is completely appropriate. They should be held civil liable until they are blue in the face... hell I'm even fine if they have to close down due to the judgements.
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:02 am to FuzzyBearE
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I'm still not sure they can make a murder charge - but definitely guilty of manslaughter.
If this isn't wanton disregard for human life, nothing is. You have a waterslide designed by Joe Bob on his own with no formal training, little to no industry standard safety features, the safety features that are there were death traps (the metal rings holding up the "safety" net are what took that kid's head off), the ride had a history of seriously injuring people that was covered up, and the operator sent the raft that the dead kid was on down the slide even though the riders were out of weight spec.
This isn't negligence. This is something else entirely and it certainly can be a case where that wanton disregard of human life element of Murder 2 exists. I'm pretty sure Kansas prosecutes with all lesser included charges, so they prosecute for Murder 2 and try to prove that, but the jury can come back with a conviction for a lesser homicide if they don't think the prosecution proved murder 2.
I think the prosecution is going to prove murder 2 as Kansas defines it.
This post was edited on 4/4/18 at 11:13 am
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:02 am to JPinLondon
unforgivable negligence
Posted on 4/4/18 at 11:09 am to LSUFanHouston
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Nothing some of these prosecutors do surprises me. Again, the fact that the deceased is the son of a state legislator has to raise some red flags.
so you can't tell us how, or where exactly they lied, but they did. K.
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Have no idea who these people are... just have seen so many overzealous prosecutions over the years that I'm jaded
it's overzealous to pursue (at the least) negligence where a kid was killed on an amusement park? Should the operators be given a good citizenship award instead?
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Are you a prosecutor? Are you THE prosecutor? You sure seem to have your panties wadded up here.
no, i just have this weird complex where i think innocent kids don't deserve to die gruesome deaths on amusement park rides. Call me crazy.
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Not to mention all of the personal injury suits from any other riders injured that will now be back in play.
Which is completely appropriate. They should be held civil liable until they are blue in the face... hell I'm even fine if they have to close down due to the judgements.
Wait, I thought there weren't any injuries? Didn't the prosecutors make it all up
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