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re: Russia is now retreating back to their bases after drills. NO War.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:25 pm to bikerack
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:25 pm to bikerack
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Ukraine reports cyber attack on defense ministry website, banks
Chances of the US being the perpetrator of said attack? I say pretty high.
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Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:26 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Ohio Class boomers
Ohio boomers are the fricking worst.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:30 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So the left is saying Biden made Putin blink
The right is saying Biden invented the crisis as a distraction
I assume the truth is probably somewhere in between
The truth is in the middle. Biden didn't do a fricking thing because no other leader in the world is intimidated by him. Also, there probably is some potential for a war, but not to any level that this administration is building it up to be.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:37 pm to member12
quote:Let's be honest with this-
Ir wasn’t just Brandon. The American media really wanted things to flare up.
in normal times, there really isn't much use for a 24 hr News Network. They don't have enough "news", so they run 24-7 op-ed crap that even the news junkies get burnt out on.
CNN regurgitates stuff about Trump (despite him being out of office for more than a year now), Fox finds anything they can to criticize Biden, both run with anything Covid-related. And still nobody watches.
But get us a WAR... say what you want about CNN, but they were golden with Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Embedded reporters all over the place; what was particularly great was Wolf Blitzer and Bernie Shaw in the Baghdad Hilton. We got live accounts of the US airstrikes.
The news channels desperately want this, and/or Taiwan to happen.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:38 pm to shoelessjoe
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If only he could have thought of using those diplomacy skills when dealing with Afghanistan.
The last time Joe used his diplomacy skills in the Ukraine, in his own words, verbatim, “If the prosecutor is not fired, you are not getting the money”
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:40 pm to Lonnie Utah
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Ohio Class boomers in the Adriatic....
You would want the SSGN variant of the Ohio's in the Baltic Sea so their Tomahawks can reach Russia's interior
Put some Virginia's in the Black Sea to F up their Black Sea fleet and shipping
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:40 pm to Boomdaddy65201
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:41 pm to Scoob
I think we can extend it beyond media too. Despite current issues, we're a bored society that demands to be entertained. Once a real conflict begins the attitudes, some even in media, will shift quickly. Then it becomes a tension of needing the viewers but genuinely not wanting things to escalate.
I feel like we saw it in COVID, half the country was curious about a pandemic for the LOLs and then when people started dying and the closures/overreactions started, things got serious for a bit.
Maybe I'm romanticizing the past, but I feel like if you asked a farmer in 1930 whether he wanted war in Europe you'd get a genuine "gosh I hope not, just think of those people and what they've been through"
Now you ask a lawyer in Brooklyn and they're like "oh no that'd be terrible but so interesting!"
I feel like we saw it in COVID, half the country was curious about a pandemic for the LOLs and then when people started dying and the closures/overreactions started, things got serious for a bit.
Maybe I'm romanticizing the past, but I feel like if you asked a farmer in 1930 whether he wanted war in Europe you'd get a genuine "gosh I hope not, just think of those people and what they've been through"
Now you ask a lawyer in Brooklyn and they're like "oh no that'd be terrible but so interesting!"
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:44 pm to Tigeralum2008
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Put some Virginia's in the Black Sea to F up their Black Sea fleet and shipping
You're right, but going thru the Bosphorus defeats the purpose of a "stealthy" submarine. And they're only allow to stay 21 days...
But strategically, you're spot on.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:46 pm to Darth_Vader
So what were they promised in return? Always something.
Anyway, I'm sure our dirt bag media will attempt to craft this as "Biden's Finest Hour".
Joe probably was unaware of what was happening, 90% of the time.
Anyway, I'm sure our dirt bag media will attempt to craft this as "Biden's Finest Hour".
Joe probably was unaware of what was happening, 90% of the time.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 12:53 pm to oleheat
Waiting for Biden to start a victory lap before beginning actions would be pretty Putin-like
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:11 pm to goofball
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We’ll see.
Biden, CNN, WaPo, and the like all seem to really want a war. If not this then something else.
I think some of you people live in your own reality. With that said, the only news I watch is CBS news in the morning. The report I saw basically said Russia was pulling back after being aggressive yesterday. The US is monitoring the situation. Then mentioned some city in Ukraine that some US citizens have gone to because its somewhere that Russia would likely not go into.
Of course you never know what news is right and which news is wrong, but I haven't heard or read anything that even suggest the US really wants a war. But hey.. We live in a time where people's perception is becoming reality so... I guess if that's what you think.. Then its true.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:20 pm to Scoob
quote:Not sure why this is getting downvoted.quote:
Ir wasn’t just Brandon. The American media really wanted things to flare up.
Let's be honest with this-
in normal times, there really isn't much use for a 24 hr News Network. They don't have enough "news", so they run 24-7 op-ed crap that even the news junkies get burnt out on.
CNN regurgitates stuff about Trump (despite him being out of office for more than a year now), Fox finds anything they can to criticize Biden, both run with anything Covid-related. And still nobody watches.
But get us a WAR... say what you want about CNN, but they were golden with Desert Shield/Desert Storm. Embedded reporters all over the place; what was particularly great was Wolf Blitzer and Bernie Shaw in the Baghdad Hilton. We got live accounts of the US airstrikes.
The news channels desperately want this, and/or Taiwan to happen.
You all know we're getting more actual news on the internet, from various sources, than we ever get from CNN or Fox etc. They are simply running editorials, 1 hr blocks where someone reports a minor thing for a minute, and spends the rest of the hour speculating and debating with other talking heads.
But give us a "good war", and CNN tops the TV ratings. You will have live embedded coverage in Kyiv (and Taiwan), in various rear units, etc.
I still remember Wolf and Bernie in Baghdad during the airstrikes. Wolf was hanging out the window with glee, Bernie was cowering under the bed saying "I want out". Amanpour was in Israel I think, next to some Patriot missile emplacements. We got tons of video coverage of smart bombs, etc. All very exciting stuff. And all far away, you KNEW the Iraqis wouldn't break out and launch a strike on Houston etc. We just stared at a safe distance.
It may sound cynical, but the news companies would love something like that to happen again.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:50 pm to Scoob
In addition to the News media wanting ratings, I think the Fed Gov would like a good boogeyman. They likely don't want WW3, but if something could happen somewhere where we can say "those are the bad guys!", I believe it objectively help things out at home.
I remember in the 80's, just about the entire country viewed the USSR as the enemy. Dem, Repub, Ind, it didn't matter. We squabbled over policy details, but the big picture was that we were united, with NATO, against the Warsaw Pact.
We saw this again in Desert Storm in the early 90's. The whole world against Iraq. Even the Syrians (who we called bad guys a lot then), they were on our side. Remember the Iraqis tried to pull Israel into it, hoping the other Middle East countries would flip; didn't happen and the coalition held.
It's great that the Iron Curtain fell, but we have continued to 'want' to fight someone. And since there isn't a real enemy we fear, we fight each other. If we could make someone a universal villain, it'd probably help unite our nation again.
That sounds terrible, but I think it's true.
I remember in the 80's, just about the entire country viewed the USSR as the enemy. Dem, Repub, Ind, it didn't matter. We squabbled over policy details, but the big picture was that we were united, with NATO, against the Warsaw Pact.
We saw this again in Desert Storm in the early 90's. The whole world against Iraq. Even the Syrians (who we called bad guys a lot then), they were on our side. Remember the Iraqis tried to pull Israel into it, hoping the other Middle East countries would flip; didn't happen and the coalition held.
It's great that the Iron Curtain fell, but we have continued to 'want' to fight someone. And since there isn't a real enemy we fear, we fight each other. If we could make someone a universal villain, it'd probably help unite our nation again.
That sounds terrible, but I think it's true.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:52 pm to Scoob
quote:
but if something could happen somewhere where we can say "those are the bad guys!"
The federal government.
Them. They are the bad guys.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 1:55 pm to fr33manator
quote:well yeah, which is why they'd like someone else to be thatquote:
but if something could happen somewhere where we can say "those are the bad guys!"
The federal government.
Them. They are the bad guys.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:49 pm to Scoob
Well that guy that could barely string together sentences and coherent thoughts sounds like he's going to get us into a war. First time he's mentioned forcefully responding.
Seriously though, does anyone expect biden to be able to publicly speak in 2 more years? Guy is just barely keeping it together.
Seriously though, does anyone expect biden to be able to publicly speak in 2 more years? Guy is just barely keeping it together.
This post was edited on 2/15/22 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:52 pm to tigerbutt
Why the F would anyone want Ukraine to join NATO? At this point, it's a goddamned clown car already.
Let's see: Soviet Union collapses along with commie regimes throughout Europe.
US/NATO response: recruit every one of them, regardless of their stability, military worthiness, or value to Western interests.
Russian response: Hey waitaminute!
US/NATO: What? You offended, bro?
Putin is an authoritarian dictator who is our rival, if not outright enemy. BUT, if your country were encircled by enemies while at its weakest moment, wouldnt you do what you had to to defend your interests and regain your influence in the region?
There is no value in involving ourselves in what is a centuries old regional rivalry. Putin is not Hitler (even if their reconquest in the name of tradition and ethnicity seem similar on the surface). He's closer to the old Czars. Just wants international respect, fear by smaller actors in the region, and to control Russia's 600 year old "zone of interest." And guess what? That zone of interest does not conflict with the US's zones of interest.
China? Different story.
Let's see: Soviet Union collapses along with commie regimes throughout Europe.
US/NATO response: recruit every one of them, regardless of their stability, military worthiness, or value to Western interests.
Russian response: Hey waitaminute!
US/NATO: What? You offended, bro?
Putin is an authoritarian dictator who is our rival, if not outright enemy. BUT, if your country were encircled by enemies while at its weakest moment, wouldnt you do what you had to to defend your interests and regain your influence in the region?
There is no value in involving ourselves in what is a centuries old regional rivalry. Putin is not Hitler (even if their reconquest in the name of tradition and ethnicity seem similar on the surface). He's closer to the old Czars. Just wants international respect, fear by smaller actors in the region, and to control Russia's 600 year old "zone of interest." And guess what? That zone of interest does not conflict with the US's zones of interest.
China? Different story.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:56 pm to tigerbutt
So the Ukrainian wife was right, and some of you were actually encouraging that poster to run off with her child.
Posted on 2/15/22 at 2:58 pm to leftyloosey
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So the Ukrainian wife was right, and some of you were actually encouraging that poster to run off with her child.
Did you listen to Biden’s speech? Here is what he said to all US citizens currently in Ukraine: “Leave now before it’s too late to leave safely.” That’s him saying “If they invade, you’re on your fricking own.” This speech disquieted me if anything.
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