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re: Russia invading Ukraine may be imminent
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:14 am to REG861
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:14 am to REG861
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But I don’t have a problem with us sending in some material support to people protecting their sovereignty or dropping severe economic sanctions on a dictator.
What the hell do you think we've been doing for the last 6 years
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:14 am to Prominentwon
quote:Extremely bitter guy, for sure
You have your opinions and that’s fine, but you sure are condescending af when posting them.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:16 am to Palantir
quote:We should all be bitter regarding the US government’s actions overseas after what they put us through in Afghanistan and the ME for 20 years.
Extremely bitter guy, for sure
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:16 am to SCLibertarian
quote:
When we aren't $30 trillion in debt.
You and I both know debt is meaningless these days. You're dodging the question.
When a sworn enemy, such as Russia, is looking to expand geographically via war on sovereign Western states, at what point do YOU feel we should become involved, presumably via proxy?
One state? Three states? Once they're building up on the German border? Never unless they're on our doorstep?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:17 am to LSUneaux
I hope not. I’m supposed to be in Kiev in March.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:17 am to Damone
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What is the MIC’s goal with this one? To up their budget to $1 trillion next year? Or to just try and kickstart the flagging economy with another imperialist Nation Building exercise?
Ukraine has been the location of significant money laundering for our governmental elites for years.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:18 am to SCLibertarian
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I honestly don't doubt your sincerity to help them. I don't trust the people in Washington to do this effectively (if it even can be done effectively) or to simply stop at providing material support. I look at Syria as an example. The alternative to Assad is worse than Assad. The right-wing bloc in Ukraine look exactly like the kind of people Tboy and Decatur fearmonger over.
I generally agree with this. But let’s get something straight. Yanukovych is a Russian stooge. There’s a reason he lives in fricking Russian now. People having a non violent protest or reform movement is not a “coup.” People in Ukraine are capable of independent thought and aren’t paid actors. It was a moribund economy and Russian proxy state they were protesting. That’s like saying the Hong Kong protestors are part of a “coup,” and I doubt anyone here would call it that.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:18 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:
When a sworn enemy, such as Russia, is looking to expand geographically via war on sovereign Western states, at what point do YOU feel we should become involved, presumably via proxy?
One state? Three states? Once they're building up on the German border? Never unless they're on our doorstep?
Ok. How many American lives are you willing to waste on this?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:19 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:I am sure you held this exact same opinion when Russia took over Crimea during Obama and Biden’s previous administration.
When a sworn enemy, such as Russia, is looking to expand geographically via war on sovereign Western states, at what point do YOU feel we should become involved, presumably via proxy?
You should have been chomping at the bit to do something then.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 8:21 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:21 am to Scruffy
quote:
Ukraine has been the location of significant money laundering for our governmental elites for years
Lol, so has Russia
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:21 am to Scruffy
quote:Well, yeah. That has absolutely nothing to do with people being absolute dicks to each other on here though
We should all be bitter regarding the US government’s actions overseas after what they put us through in Afghanistan and the ME for 20 years.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:22 am to mmmmmbeeer
quote:
When a sworn enemy, such as Russia, is looking to expand geographically via war on sovereign Western states, at what point do YOU feel we should become involved, presumably via proxy?
The 1980’s called, they want their policies back.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:22 am to LSUneaux
Dey said on the news last night "there have been several unconfirmed reports of people being escorted out of the Russian Embassy. Russian officials have declined to comment"
This about to get serious. Just glad Kamala ain't running the show. The emotional broad would fire up the launch codes and start global nuclear war.
This about to get serious. Just glad Kamala ain't running the show. The emotional broad would fire up the launch codes and start global nuclear war.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:22 am to Scruffy
quote:
I am sure you held this exact same opinion when Russia took over Crimea during Obama and Biden’s previous administration.
You should have been chomping at the bit to do something then.
Joe was the point man for Obama on Ukraine when it happened. They sent blankets and helmets. Trump sent anti tank weapons. But Trump is the bad guy.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:23 am to REG861
quote:Absolutely.
Lol, so has Russia
Ukraine has simply been in the news recently regarding that.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:23 am to Indefatigable
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What word? What do you think we are obligated to do?
The United States is not bound by any treaty or agreement to defend Ukraine militarily, under any circumstances.
Yeah conveniently enough in the agreement to get Ukraine to give up its nukes there’s no binding agreement for security of them on anyone else’s behalf. I’m certain there were back door promises made to grease the wheels here, but regardless neither matters. We wouldn’t keep our word whether written or spoken because we prove time and again we won’t.
Ukraine should have never destroyed the nukes. Same principle as citizenry should never surrender the guns.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:24 am to upgrayedd
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Joe was the point man for Obama on Ukraine when it happened. They sent blankets and helmets. Trump sent anti tank weapons. But Trump is the bad guy.
That must be what mmmmbeer is talking about when he refers to “support”.
Blankets and helmets.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:25 am to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:
This about to get serious.
In an effort to get this thread back on track, what is Russia actually gonna do here?
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:26 am to wadewilson
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We are treaty-bound to go immediately to the security council, which can issue a binding resolution. And we did exactly that over Crimea. The resolution was vetoed by permanent council member Russia.
Which is why it was worthless then and worthless now. They knew this. Everything is a show for cover of this or that when shite actually goes down nobody has to do anything, but gets to hide behind some paper and empty words.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 8:26 am to Globetrotter747
Why? Going to meet your future wife?
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