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re: Russia invading Ukraine may be imminent
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:22 am to SCLibertarian
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:22 am to SCLibertarian
You have your opinions and that’s fine, but you sure are condescending af when posting them.
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Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:47 am to Langland
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This is what I was trying to recall.
Basically, it will come down to this:
Will US keep its word?
The answer is no. Biden is a bitch.
Then again, in Russia's defense, if China started protection agreements with Mexico and Central American companies and starting putting weapons systems within driving distance of Houston, we'd be pissed as hell.
The answer is diplomacy, because we'll never be as invested in Ukraine as Russia is. If Biden was useful, he'd lean on NATO to make some kind of assurances that they would not bring Ukraine and the Baltics in.
Or bring them in and see what Russia does. Another European war might be just what we need to stop letting the coronabros tell us what to do.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:50 am to Langland
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Will US keep its word?
What word? What do you think we are obligated to do?
The United States is not bound by any treaty or agreement to defend Ukraine militarily, under any circumstances.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:52 am to wadewilson
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Russia and the US respected its boundaries.
A) we respected their boundaries. If anyone ran afoul of the Budapest agreement, it is Russia
B) the agreement says nothing about enforcement or what happens if a party breaks the agreement. We are not treaty-bound to do anything whatsoever.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 6:53 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Hot take: It’s none of our business.
Unfortunately, when Obama’s Department of State decided to help overthrow the elected Ukraine government and install our people throughout its financial sector, it sort of made us an integral player in the regional military affair.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:01 am to Antonio Moss
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install our people throughout its financial sector
This is what they actually mean when they talk about "protecting democracy".
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:09 am to LSUneaux
Funny how none of this happened during the Trump administration. As soon as sleepy Joe is in the driver's seat, this starts like magic.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:11 am to SCLibertarian
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This is what they actually mean when they talk about "protecting democracy".
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:18 am to Antonio Moss
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Unfortunately, when Obama’s Department of State decided to help overthrow the elected Ukraine government and install our people throughout its financial sector, it sort of made us an integral player in the regional military affair.
Y’all just can’t help but make it a dem vs rep issue. Ukraine has 14,000,000 people living outside of the Crimea peninsula. They wanted freedom from Russia and overthrew a puppet regime to get it.
Did the US support their movement? Of fricking course they did. We are leaders of the Western world and want to welcome any country who wants to ally with us. This opens up strategic positions against Putin’s Russia, a new trade partner for the EU and West, and gives 14,000,000 people autonomy from despotic rule.
When you find yourself taking Putin’s side over the West, it may be time to reevaluate your loyalties. To just brush off Putin’s shenanigans around the globe, the terror and censorship he places on his own people, his stated goals of retaking, by force, the Eastern Bloc in order to bring the USSR back into being, well, to ignore all that is anathema to me. You’re supporting the violent overthrow of free sovereign states by America’s worst enemy.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:19 am to SCLibertarian
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Stephen Cohen, an NYU and Princeton Professor who was essentially blackballed by the leftist media for criticizing the Obama administration's role in the Ukraine crisis. His writings are what have influenced my take on this conflict. And before you smear him as a right-wing conspiracy theorist, his wife, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, is a part owner and former editor of The Nation, hardly a right-wing rag.
Both Putin apologists and I gotta say this completely tracks for you.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:20 am to Indefatigable
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B) the agreement says nothing about enforcement or what happens if a party breaks the agreement. We are not treaty-bound to do anything whatsoever.
We are treaty-bound to go immediately to the security council, which can issue a binding resolution. And we did exactly that over Crimea. The resolution was vetoed by permanent council member Russia.
Ukraine had the 3rd largest nuclear arsenal in the world post-USSR breakup.
They should have kept their nukes. They'd have something to negotiate with now.
This post was edited on 1/19/22 at 7:21 am
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:22 am to Decatur
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Both Putin apologists and I gotta say this completely tracks for you.
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Decatur
Hey, remember when, for 5 years, you were completely convinced that Donald Trump was a Russian agent and then it turned out that it was all a complete fabrication. That was fun
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:23 am to Decatur
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Both Putin apologists and I gotta say this completely tracks for you.
Hey look it's Max Boot.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:25 am to mmmmmbeeer
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When you find yourself taking Putin’s side over the West, it may be time to reevaluate your loyalties
I love how this is always the way the argument is framed. You either have to want to go to war with Russia or you're on their side. It's the most childish view of the world you could possibly have.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:25 am to upgrayedd
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Hey, remember when, for 5 years, you were completely convinced that Donald Trump was a Russian agent and then it turned out that it was all a complete fabrication.
It wasn’t a fabrication and his actions sure as frick didn’t do anything to disprove the notion. The man literally tried to break up NATO. He told the rubes it was about money, but those who are serious about geopolitics know goddamned well why he was doing it.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:26 am to upgrayedd
Where did I ever say anything like that? You don't have make things up.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:29 am to upgrayedd
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I love how this is always the way the argument is framed.
Of course it is. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:31 am to mmmmmbeeer
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It wasn’t a fabrication
Yes, it was.
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The man literally tried to break up NATO.
Because of I don’t know how many years they have not paid their agreed upon share but instead asked the US too. How many wars has NATO and the UN gotten us into and we have ultimately footed the bill with both blood and coin?
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He told the rubes it was about money, but those who are serious about geopolitics know goddamned well why he was doing it.
Ahh so despite his actions consistently lining up with what he says, you know what he really meant, despite all evidence (actual evidence, not like the Russian dossier bought and paid for by the DNC and where intelligence communities lied to FISA courts) to the contrary.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:32 am to mmmmmbeeer
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It wasn’t a fabrication and his actions sure as frick didn’t do anything to disprove the notion. The man literally tried to break up NATO. He told the rubes it was about money, but those who are serious about geopolitics know goddamned well why he was doing it.
It was a complete fabrication and the only people that still believe that horseshite have literally never looked into it for more than about 4 seconds. So, you.
Posted on 1/19/22 at 7:32 am to waiting4saturday
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Sounds like Europes problem.
It was Europe’s problem in 1939 and 1914 too.
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