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Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:32 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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Simply brandishing a weapon is not grounds to shoot
I typically don't consider pointing a gun at someone as simply "brandishing a weapon."
Neither does the law, thankfully.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:38 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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I'm looking for some
You will have to use news sources, because, like I said, the vast majority are not arrested and don't go to trial.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:43 pm to dallastiger55
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dallastiger55
The fact they you think coming to the OT to get firearms related advice instead of going to an actual firearms training course tells me it's probably best for everyone, including yourself, if you get you some pepper spray instead of a firearm.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:46 pm to StripedSaint
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You will have to use news sources, because, like I said, the vast majority are not arrested and don't go to trial.
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Thanks...
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:47 pm to RingLeader
quote:You had to be told that?
My dad always preached to us growing up...
"Never pull a gun and conduct show-and-tell. Be damn sure the circumstance is correct, and if/when you pull the gun, use it quickly and accurately."
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:50 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Ever hear the saying about better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6?
If you want to put yourself in front of 12 morons
Posted on 4/3/14 at 12:51 pm to TU Rob
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frick no. Unless he starts shooting, keep your mouth shut and your gun out of sight. You might want to take it out of the holster and crouch down out of his sight, but at that point he has his gun already out and you don't, so don't get yourself or the gas station clerk killed trying to be Clint Eastwood
While I think you gave good advice, he CAN legally pull his gun out and shoot the suspect if the threat is still present.
You insisted he CAN NOT in your first statement.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:02 pm to SabiDojo
This is pretty much how I shot the guy that was arm robbing someone. I was not convicted of a crime or even say in jail for a single second. The guy put a gun in the victims face and I really didn't wait to see if he was actually gonna shoot or just take something and run off. I shot the guy several times and that was about it.
I was cleared of any wrong doing because in that moment I acted in the chance that death or serious bodily injury could come to the victim.
I was cleared of any wrong doing because in that moment I acted in the chance that death or serious bodily injury could come to the victim.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:02 pm to chalupa
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While I think you gave good advice, he CAN legally pull his gun out and shoot the suspect if the threat is still present.
You insisted he CAN NOT in your first statement.
I guess I misread his statement that I quoted. Yes, in Louisiana, he can. We have Castle Doctrine in Alabama now, and I could do the same in this state as well. I was just saying what I would do. You never really know what is about to go down. And what if you miss the robber's head and end up killing the clerk? Always know your target and what is beyond it.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:05 pm to TU Rob
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And what if you miss the robber's head and end up killing the clerk? Always know your target and what is beyond it.
I would assume that goes without saying. But, you never know with some people.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:15 pm to GrammarKnotsi
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This is grey...We obviously do not "reasonably believe" the same things
Yes, the law requires you to read the mind of a person pointing a gun at someone in furtherance of a robbery to determine if they are really going to shoot them before you can act.
You are correct.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:21 pm to GrammarKnotsi
Forget it. No use arguing with someone with absolutely no knowledge of the law.
This post was edited on 4/3/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:27 pm to boom roasted
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No use arguing with someone with absolutely no knowledge of the law
Really...Your interpretation is that if someone uses a gun in a robbery, their intent is to kill...
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:28 pm to USMCTiger03
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Yes, the law requires you to read the mind of a person pointing a gun at someone in furtherance of a robbery to determine if they are really going to shoot them before you can act.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:28 pm to dallastiger55
I believe you can shoot the robber since the robber is putting someones life in danger.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:28 pm to dallastiger55
Your both going to point at each other while you call the cops?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:30 pm to GrammarKnotsi
Considered a violent felony last I checked...and worthy of a lethal response...regardless.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:31 pm to VetteGuy
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IMHO, you don't pull a gun unless you're going to fire.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:32 pm to chalupa
This is my take on this situation.
If I'm in a gas station, as described in the OP, and man walks in a pulls a gun on the clerk or anyone else in the building for that matter and I do have a concealed handgun on me.
The first thing I would do is see if I have a way to just get the frick out of there, and then call the cops. I'm looking to protect myself first and foremost. Really you know nothing about the situation. The robber could have other accomplishes in the building. Or the so called robbery that you think is going on might not be a robbery but an undercover cop arresting the clerk.
Second if I can't get out the building for some reason. I would find somewhere to hide while I figure out as much as I can about the situation as quickly as I can.
And lastly if I do determine that this guy is holding the clerk or someone else in the gas station at gun point, and this person is in danger of death or grave bodily harm. The next action would be to draw my firearm if I can without being noticed and if I have to draw a firearm the trigger is going to be squeezed. Of course during this process I would be getting myself in position so that if I have to shoot an innocent bystander isn't beyond the potential target.
If I do shoot and the starts to run away I would not pursue him and stop shooting, or if he drops to the ground and drops the gun I stop shooting. I continue to shoot until the threat is over.
If I'm in a gas station, as described in the OP, and man walks in a pulls a gun on the clerk or anyone else in the building for that matter and I do have a concealed handgun on me.
The first thing I would do is see if I have a way to just get the frick out of there, and then call the cops. I'm looking to protect myself first and foremost. Really you know nothing about the situation. The robber could have other accomplishes in the building. Or the so called robbery that you think is going on might not be a robbery but an undercover cop arresting the clerk.
Second if I can't get out the building for some reason. I would find somewhere to hide while I figure out as much as I can about the situation as quickly as I can.
And lastly if I do determine that this guy is holding the clerk or someone else in the gas station at gun point, and this person is in danger of death or grave bodily harm. The next action would be to draw my firearm if I can without being noticed and if I have to draw a firearm the trigger is going to be squeezed. Of course during this process I would be getting myself in position so that if I have to shoot an innocent bystander isn't beyond the potential target.
If I do shoot and the starts to run away I would not pursue him and stop shooting, or if he drops to the ground and drops the gun I stop shooting. I continue to shoot until the threat is over.
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