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re: Return to office / employees quitting
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:28 pm to Mo Jeaux
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How do you know they were lying?
Our industry was very slow at the time and most work was being done by the ones still coming to the office. Some basically were getting paid to do nothing at home. You also learn what employees are productive and efficient over years of working with them.
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Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:28 pm to concrete_tiger
About 6 years ago I retired but prior to that our department urged us to WFH, saw productivity increase due to less drive time and convenience for teleconferencing for pre and post standard 8 - 5 workdays.
Some brainiac wanted to focus our department, Finance, in Dallas and have everyone physically report there. 70% of the department refused to relocate so they found jobs outside of the department or retired. I retired at that time.
So, the company hired locally in Dallas or hired folks that would relocate. After 6 months, people were allowed to WFH again due to the d vantages of WFH. There was no need for the department to be in a face to face environment.
Some brainiac wanted to focus our department, Finance, in Dallas and have everyone physically report there. 70% of the department refused to relocate so they found jobs outside of the department or retired. I retired at that time.
So, the company hired locally in Dallas or hired folks that would relocate. After 6 months, people were allowed to WFH again due to the d vantages of WFH. There was no need for the department to be in a face to face environment.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:29 pm to Rhino5
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Some people still prefer to come in daily.
This is me. My company seems to have no designs on ever going back to the office in any capacity. I had to sit through a Zoom meeting with our CEO this week and stare at his ceiling fan where ever he lives in South Carolina. Corporate HQ is in Bham, Al.
You can't develop a corporate culture. You can't develop teams that can work across departments. It's brutal trying to bring new employees on board. It's brutal to promote someone or move them to a new position. Forget about trying to replace internal systems....
I'm looking around now. I would happily take a pay cut just to have an office with people in it to go to. Flexible schedule would be fine, but 100% remote is out for me. I hate it.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:30 pm to concrete_tiger
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we have experienced record performance
One of the rarities. Our productivity cut in half when we went home and is back to normal now that we are back at work.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:33 pm to concrete_tiger
sounds like your employer is run by idiots.
not negotiating for a better work environment for their employees (that has cheaper overhead) that makes them more productive only to lose them in what would be considered a strong job seeker era.
not negotiating for a better work environment for their employees (that has cheaper overhead) that makes them more productive only to lose them in what would be considered a strong job seeker era.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:48 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Training young employees is the big problem long-term imo. Speaking for my own company/industry, it’s not that hard to train them on role-specific tasks remotely, but the lack of learning through osmosis by listening to superiors’ conversations, calls, meetings, etc. will be hard to deal with as the younger folks move into those roles in a few years.
That’s what we’ve run into and why we are back in the office. Our COVID fresh out of college hires have really really struggled. They are no where near where they need to be now 2 years in.
When we first went remote it was assumed the older workers might struggle but the opposite happened.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:48 pm to TDTOM
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They should give people a pay cut if they work remote.
What a stupid fricking take.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:56 pm to Bruco
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When we first went remote it was assumed the older workers might struggle but the opposite happened.
That's one negative side I've seen. New hires get up to speed a lot more slowly.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 2:56 pm to concrete_tiger
After experiencing a working environment with no commute and no dress code, people are going to be reluctant to give it up.
As long as those people have value on the job market, and remote jobs are available, they’ll be looking to leave the office spots.
Working from home is equivalent to getting a pay raise. Reduced clothing expenses. Reduced gasoline and vehicle maintenance expenses. Reduced food costs.
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:11 pm to concrete_tiger
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:12 pm to fallguy_1978
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That's one negative side I've seen. New hires get up to speed a lot more slowly.
Which is a likely long term problem. The reality is that WFH is probably going to be something that is a "benefit" for most mid level employees and earned or awarded. Then senior level people are likely to be brought back in to some larger degree if need be.
I fully understand that many people love and do well with WFH, but the reality is a huge portion of people DON'T. "HIRE BETTER" is not always an option, dipshits.
Additionally, you need to remember that if you don't have a personal relationship with your boss because you CHOSE to WFH instead of coming in routinely then you are also the first to be on the chopping block. Times are good right now so no ones concerned with that, but the economy is not exactly doing well and that could change for a lot of these people very quickly.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:18 pm to baldona
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I fully understand that many people love and do well with WFH, but the reality is a huge portion of people DON'T. "HIRE BETTER" is not always an option, dipshits.
Additionally, you need to remember that if you don't have a personal relationship with your boss because you CHOSE to WFH instead of coming in routinely then you are also the first to be on the chopping block. Times are good right now so no ones concerned with that, but the economy is not exactly doing well and that could change for a lot of these people very quickly.
Why are you so angry about this topic?
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:18 pm to baldona
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Additionally, you need to remember that if you don't have a personal relationship with your boss because you CHOSE to WFH instead of coming in routinely then you are also the first to be on the chopping block.
Eventually the full-time WFH crowd, at least in my industry, will get frustrated by lack of promotions. Face time with the boss is important for staying top of mind. It doesn’t really matter whether that’s fair or not.
Right now, no one is really feeling that frustrating because the job market for established workers is so good that they can easily change companies for a promotion. That won’t be the case forever.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:19 pm to TDTOM
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They should give people a pay cut if they work remote.
You’re an imbecile
My utilities
My internet
My home office
But I should be deducted for doing the same job and not costing the company any utility costs
Great thinking, jackass
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:22 pm to Aubie Spr96
I’m looking at taking on a second job with the spare time. Plenty of jobs out there and a bunch of people who won’t work.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:24 pm to concrete_tiger
Both my job and my wifes job had a rash of people quitting when they brought people back to the office. We both work a remote schedule now.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:27 pm to Epic Cajun
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Why are you so angry about this topic?
I'm not angry at all. I own my own business and WFH when I want. I've also had previous experience with a flexible schedule and seen all too often that people take advantage of WFH.
One of the reasons that WFH can be more effective for some is that there is a lot less BS, team bonding, and company time like meetings, HR work, and BBQs. That's fine to a degree, but those are beneficial. Now you can certainly still have a company BBQ at headquarters once a month and have everyone come in just for that.
ETA: The other major issue with WFH is the 8-5 M-F work schedule is GONE. I don't think this is beneficial long term to the avg workers Psych but is likely to the avg employer, as they are getting more work hour reponse times for the same pay. No issues at all sending 6:45 emails and expecting answers by 8:05 or 5Pm emails on friday and demanding an answer before Monday.
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:32 pm to TDTOM
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They should give people a pay cut if they work remote.
Agreed, they should also dock any employees pay who finish their work too quickly.
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:32 pm to madmaxvol
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Yep...I've got 4 people who are supposed to be back on site by May 16th. Totally anticipate losing at least 1 between now and then.
Thing is, they have been more productive since working from home. Not just a little bit...significantly more productive.
Despite record productivity and very low absenteeism while working remotely, upper management had us start transitioning back to the office in early March. Since then my team has lost 2 members, and I strongly suspect that another will be leaving soon. We're currently working a hybrid schedule with 3 days in the office and 2 days of telework. Whenever someone complains, my manager is quick to respond with "if I had told you when I hired you that you'd only have to come into the office 3 days/week, you'd have been ecstatic." They've also started imposing new restrictions that allow us to only telework from our actual place of residence. No more taking my laptop to the auto repair shop, coffee shop, dog park, etc. If we cannot work from our physical residence, we have to either go into the office or take leave. We all have company-issued laptops so we know that management can track our IP addresses if they so choose, but would they really do it?
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