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re: Return to office / employees quitting

Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by TacoNash
Member since Mar 2020
715 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:33 pm to
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The other major issue with WFH is the 8-5 M-F work schedule is GONE. I don't think this is beneficial long term to the avg workers Psych but is likely to the avg employer, as they are getting more work hour reponse times for the same pay. No issues at all sending 6:45 emails and expecting answers by 8:05 or 5Pm emails on friday and demanding an answer before Monday.


Lets not act like that didn't get abused when people were going into the office.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63478 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:36 pm to
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Lets not act like that didn't get abused when people were going into the office.


Yeah, I don't know that I find that argument terribly persuasive.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37004 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:36 pm to
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I'm not angry at all. I own my own business and WFH when I want. I've also had previous experience with a flexible schedule and seen all too often that people take advantage of WFH.


I can see how it can be a problem if you don't have reportable metrics that can be monitored to insure that work is being completed, but if you have a system in place, then those who are slacking can be held accountable.

I guess I'm in a completely unique situation, but my entire division works from home. The only people who live in the city that my firm is based out of are some entry level folks, their managers, some HR folks, and our C-suite. Everyone else, including directors, managers, leads, and analysts work remotely and live scattered throughout the US.

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No issues at all sending 6:45 emails and expecting answers by 8:05 or 5Pm emails on friday and demanding an answer before Monday.


I have not experienced this, and I've been working from home for 10+ years. Unless there is an outlier situation where I am notified beforehand, there is no expectation that I will be available outside of my typical working hours. That doesn't mean that I won't respond to a work email ever outside of regular hours, but there is no expectation that I will do that.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
45870 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:37 pm to
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ETA: The other major issue with WFH is the 8-5 M-F work schedule is GONE. I don't think this is beneficial long term to the avg workers Psych but is likely to the avg employer, as they are getting more work hour reponse times for the same pay. No issues at all sending 6:45 emails and expecting answers by 8:05 or 5Pm emails on friday and demanding an answer before Monday.




That's a management being dickheads issue. I'll hop on early on occasion just to knock stuff out, but my boss would never expect me to answer an email before 8 or after 5, unless it was a major security issue.
Posted by Chasin The Tiger
Lake Travis, TX
Member since Sep 2012
635 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:38 pm to
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Despite record productivity and very low absenteeism while working remotely, upper management had us start transitioning back to the office in early March. Since then my team has lost 2 members, and I strongly suspect that another will be leaving soon. We're currently working a hybrid schedule with 3 days in the office and 2 days of telework. Whenever someone complains, my manager is quick to respond with "if I had told you when I hired you that you'd only have to come into the office 3 days/week, you'd have been ecstatic." They've also started imposing new restrictions that allow us to only telework from our actual place of residence. No more taking my laptop to the auto repair shop, coffee shop, dog park, etc. If we cannot work from our physical residence, we have to either go into the office or take leave. We all have company-issued laptops so we know that management can track our IP addresses if they so choose, but would they really do it?


Gonna suck for them once they start losing their most important employees. Can they actually force you to work from your home?
Posted by yellowfin
Coastal Bar
Member since May 2006
98925 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:41 pm to
I’m opposite, I’d quit if they made me work from home.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24168 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:43 pm to
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That's a management being dickheads issue. I'll hop on early on occasion just to knock stuff out, but my boss would never expect me to answer an email before 8 or after 5, unless it was a major security issue.


Maybe. But again, employee's have had the major upper hand since around July of 2020. This could easily shift, and employees could be desperate to keep their jobs. What happens then?

I'm just stating the obvious, that I think a lot of people have great WFH situations because the economy was doing well. If that changes, we'll see.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37004 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:46 pm to
If the economy turns, wouldn't the employer save money by having employees work from home?
Posted by JakeRStephenes
Member since Feb 2012
3133 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:48 pm to
Just glad I am in early retirement. If I had to hear about work/life balance, I would puke.

Having said that, the free market will dictate WFH or back to the office.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24168 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:49 pm to
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If the economy turns, wouldn't the employer save money by having employees work from home?


Commercial real estate isn't a light switch you can flip. Real Estate is expensive but not always, but most companies have to have it so some degree. Large offices/ cubicles are not THAT expensive. Couple $1000/ year per employee. You aren't just throwing that away, sure you can shut some parts down but again its not saving you that much money.

Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:52 pm to
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The other major issue with WFH is the 8-5 M-F work schedule is GONE


Only if you allow it to be. Set boundaries and stick to them.
This post was edited on 5/4/22 at 3:52 pm
Posted by GatorReb
Dallas GA
Member since Feb 2009
9425 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:52 pm to
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I personally know 3 people who left their company for a remote job and more pay doing the same thing because their current employer would not allow. 2 of these people are working for companies out of state but working from their home


Pretty much what happened to my smallish company. Started losing good people for more pay and fully remote when my company wouldnt budge on it.

About 3 months ago my company finally pulled the trigger and went full hybrid/remote.

I have been in the office for 5 days in the past 11 weeks. I will change jobs if we ever get told we have to go in full time again.
Posted by TexasTiger90
Rocky Mountain High
Member since Jul 2014
3576 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:54 pm to
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for the whole company
I should have been a little more clear. Not the whole company, this is just the project management and project controls teams that do this, so roughly 100 people a month. Engineers have enough space on their two floors to accommodate who wants to come in consistently and who wants to work from home. The field guys are, well, field guys and have different base offices throughout the state.
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5285 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:55 pm to
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About 3 months ago my company finally pulled the trigger and went full hybrid/remote.



That doesnt make any sense.. You can go ‘hybrid’ or you can go ‘fully remote’ but there’s no such thing as ‘full hybrid / remote.’
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
39192 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:56 pm to
It does it it depends on the department

Some departments can go full remote

Some to hybrid
Posted by BK Lounge
Member since Nov 2021
5285 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:58 pm to
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I’m opposite, I’d quit if they made me work from home.



Thank goodness we all like different things…. Ive been remote for 15 yrs and I wouldn’t ever go back to an office even at triple my salary…. The problem is people who make decisions based on thinking their way is the ‘right’ way, or the ‘only’ way… doesnt matter though, since as someone mentioned above- the free market will dictate, and ultimately i think those of us who used to be considered loners or hermits or anti-social will win out and keep working from home if we want to .
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15864 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 3:59 pm to
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Can they actually force you to work from your home?


Legally, I suppose they can. They've written into the OPPs. I assume it was done in response to people abusing the telework policies, but why does it matter where we work as long as we work? I've heard, but can't confirm, rumors that HR has denied employee requests to telework full time.

My direct supervisor could give a rat's arse where we work from as long as we are productive and aren't missing deadlines. My section manager is the opposite, and I feel that many, if not all, of the new policies are her doing.
Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 4:01 pm to
I might be in the minority, but I'd almost rather work in an office. Easy for me to say though, I've had the option either way, I could do whatever I wanted. Sometimes, I just get tired of being home constantly.
Posted by LouisianaLonghorn
Austin, Texas
Member since Jan 2006
15864 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 4:05 pm to
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I might be in the minority, but I'd almost rather work in an office. Easy for me to say though, I've had the option either way, I could do whatever I wanted. Sometimes, I just get tired of being home constantly.


How far do you live from your place of employment?
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53501 posts
Posted on 5/4/22 at 4:06 pm to
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Easy for me to say though, I've had the option either way, I could do whatever I wanted. Sometimes, I just get tired of being home constantly.

I get tired of being home too sometimes. I have the ability to go to the office everyday if I want to but I'm only required to go one day per week.
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