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re: Red Lobster lists 99 restaurants closures in 28 states
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:19 pm to CaptainsWafer
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:19 pm to CaptainsWafer
quote:Blacks moving in & ruining everything
Explain this to me like I’m a typical OT poster.
Stuck up bitches won't give blow jobs
I refuse to tip bc it's UnAmerican
Owlie & Chris fighting to see who is more retarded
Stout posted 10 articles on it
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:23 pm to Kafka
It's not clear at all that the tweet's version matches reality. I can't find any evidence that the original PE firm owned the real estate. In any event, that same PE firm sold it to a Thai seafood canning company in 2020 (bad timing for the buyer):
The claim in bold is made, but I don't see any direct evidence that Golden Gate was the leaseholder coming out.
LINK
The linked CNN article does not say so:
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While it's true that Golden Gate got the proceeds from the sale of the RE, it's never stated that they were the buyer. In any event, having an entire chain of purpose-built restaurant buildings lose their specific tenant is not good for the leaseholder.
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Red Lobster has had a really rough last 10 years, maybe even worse than the rest of us; since 2021, the chain has had five different CEOs. In 2014, its parent company Darden sold Red Lobster to a private equity firm called Golden Gate Capital for $2.1 billion. That sale helped Darden pay off $100 million in debt and fueled significant growth for its other restaurants, like Olive Garden, in the ensuing years. Even when COVID hit in 2020, the company still managed to maintain positive cash flow as other restaurants floundered. Red Lobster, though, continued to struggle.
But again, it wasn’t because of the shrimp. Following the sale of Red Lobster to Golden Gate, the chain’s real estate assets were also sold off, which meant that the restaurants now had to pay rent on these locations to their parent company. As such, the company was stuck in leases for underperforming restaurants that it couldn’t afford. As with other private equity forays into industries like retail and media, Red Lobster’s new private equity owner saddled it with tons of debt.
In August of 2020, Golden Gate Capital sold Red Lobster to Thai Union, a Thailand-based seafood company that owns a number of seafood brands, including canned tuna brand Chicken of the Sea. Once Thai Union took over, Red Lobster insiders say that the company engaged in extreme cost-cutting measures and did not place enough emphasis on innovation, especially as fast-casual restaurants like Cava and Chipotle took over an increasingly large portion of the casual dining market. Just four years later, in January 2024, Thai Union was ready to get out of the restaurant business, citing “sustained industry headwinds, higher interest rates and rising material and labor costs.”
And so after billions of dollars in losses, too many executive shuffles to count, and three different corporate ownership groups in the past decade, why are we still trying to insist that Red Lobster’s failure is the shrimp’s fault? It’s obviously much funnier, and easier, to believe that something as silly as an endless shrimp promotion could really spell the end of a restaurant that’s been around since 1968.
The claim in bold is made, but I don't see any direct evidence that Golden Gate was the leaseholder coming out.
LINK
The linked CNN article does not say so:
quote:
The following year, Darden sold Red Lobster to Golden Gate Capital, a private equity firm, for $2.1 billion. To help fund the deal, Red Lobster spun off its real estate assets in a transaction known as a sale leaseback agreement. Red Lobster had long owned its own real estate but would now be paying rent to lease its restaurants.
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While it's true that Golden Gate got the proceeds from the sale of the RE, it's never stated that they were the buyer. In any event, having an entire chain of purpose-built restaurant buildings lose their specific tenant is not good for the leaseholder.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:26 pm to Big Scrub TX
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:26 pm to thermal9221
quote:No, it's not true. See above.
Is that true?
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:27 pm to GeauxTigers123
quote:Not what happened. They sold the real estate years ago.
I think there goal is to separate out the dining business and the real estate. Drive the dining portion into the ground by being cheap and paying rent to the real estate side. Dining portion goes under. They still hold the valuable real estate.
They are doing the same thing with hosptials.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:34 pm to maisweh
quote:
Endless shrimp did them in.
quote:
CNN: How Red Lobster’s misguided endless shrimp promotion drove it into bankruptcy
MSN/Verify: No, Red Lobster's 'endless shrimp' deal is not the main reason the chain went bankrupt
So the media certainly can't agree on the cause.
From what I can see, it seems Golden Gate Capital bought them for the sole purpose of doing a classic corporate raider op, destroying them and extracting maximum value from the op before ejecting the skeletal remains and moving on to their next target.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 6:54 pm to Tempratt
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What about the one in Monroe? I never see cars there.
I worked there in the early 90's. It was literally one of the busiest Red Lobsters in the chain. I swear that place would be packed in a monsoon. Kinda hate to hear this, but not surprised. I think the seafood restaurant business had kinda lapped poor Red Lobster.
I will say we had some epic biscuit wars back the day and yes, those biscuits were glorious. So was the lobster. There was at least 3 or 4 a night that would get one bite and sent back to the kitchen because you just don't suddenly start liking lobster. We had damn near fist fights for partially eaten lobsters if they got back to the kitchen. Also living off Red Lobster food for my entire employment was nice cause it was practically free but nothing beat the hook ups between the staff. It was almost as good as what was going on across the parking lot at Dillards.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 7:04 pm to maisweh
Can’t say what main reason was but shrimp was a factor. Thai Union cancelled two main shrimp suppliers and forced red lobster to use them at higher cost. Also made endless shrimp permanent to help get rid of their shrimp.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 7:04 pm to Funky Tide 8
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so if the hedge fund bought red lobster, would they not have leased it back to themselves?
Because they offload the liabilities and rake in profits. Run it into the ground and sell off or file Chapter 11. Doesn’t matter because they made their money and so did stakeholders.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 7:11 pm to Stamps74
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Can’t say what main reason was but shrimp was a factor. Thai Union cancelled two main shrimp suppliers and forced red lobster to use them at higher cost. Also made endless shrimp permanent to help get rid of their shrimp.
Yep, Thai Union bought them for cheap and used them to dump their shrimp. Both them and Golden Gate came out ahead in this deal. They gutted what they wanted and Thai will sell off the IP for whatever it's worth or sell Red Lobster brand stuff in the grocery stores.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 7:27 pm to tigerfan84
Auburn and Huntsville are because of the incredible prices they can get for the real estate.
Decatur and Mobile are because of poor help, loss, and a no count clientele.
Decatur and Mobile are because of poor help, loss, and a no count clientele.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 7:28 pm to tigerfan84
Auburn and Huntsville are because of the incredible prices they can get for the real estate.
Decatur and Mobile are because of poor help, loss, and a no count clientele.
Decatur and Mobile are because of poor help, loss, and a no count clientele.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 7:33 pm to Kafka
Closing every location in East Texas. What Wii I do? But I haven’t been there in 20 years.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:07 pm to CaptainsWafer
quote:
Explain this to me like I’m a typical OT poster.
It makes no sense. Hedge fund buys the company and sells the land the restaurants are located on. Fine that can happen
But then it reads like the hedge fund leased the land it sold back to the company it now owns? That’s not possible.
Maybe he means the new owners of the land agreed to lease to the hedge fund that owns RL and they jacked up the rent, so now RL is out of business
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:10 pm to GeauxTigers123
quote:
I think there goal is to separate out the dining business and the real estate. Drive the dining portion into the ground by being cheap and paying rent to the real estate side. Dining portion goes under. They still hold the valuable real estate.
Ah I see. Sold the land to another company owned by the Hedge Fund. Now they can shut down the restaurants but banks/creditors won’t be able to take the land during chapter 11.
They then sell prime real estate to a developer for a big profit
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:11 pm to Kafka
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That's called the Eddie Lampert Special
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:24 pm to maisweh
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This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:39 pm to Evolved Simian
The food is absolute garbage like most of those names we 80’s/90’s kids grew up loving as ‘nice’ places and now their clientele is almost exclusively… predictable.
It was a matter of time.
Those cheddar bae biscuits will be missed though.
It was a matter of time.
Those cheddar bae biscuits will be missed though.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:48 pm to 3deadtrolls
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Can’t say what main reason was but shrimp was a factor. Thai Union cancelled two main shrimp suppliers and forced red lobster to use them at higher cost. Also made endless shrimp permanent to help get rid of their shrimp.
quote:
Yep, Thai Union bought them for cheap and used them to dump their shrimp. Both them and Golden Gate came out ahead in this deal. They gutted what they wanted and Thai will sell off the IP for whatever it's worth or sell Red Lobster brand stuff in the grocery stores.
I heard the tail end of a news story this morning, something about shady business dealings going on between Thai Union and Red Lobster that are being investigated.
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:54 pm to tigerfan84
LOL, and now, literally, "Red Lobster closes, Black People Hardest Hit"
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