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Posted on 12/7/17 at 10:40 pm to Rocco4
I think the F150 looks squatty if not 4x4. Hate the low chin scoop.
the Ford is probably the “best” if you did some sort of pro/con checklist, but I didn’t trust the ecoboost to last a decade. The Tundra is considered dated by many, but I liked it enough to buy one. MPG sucks but otherwise I love it.
If Chevy would put it’s 6L V8 into it’s lower models I’d probably be driving that. Just didn’t want to pay for the high country.
I just wouldn’t buy a Nissan. Hideous.
the Ford is probably the “best” if you did some sort of pro/con checklist, but I didn’t trust the ecoboost to last a decade. The Tundra is considered dated by many, but I liked it enough to buy one. MPG sucks but otherwise I love it.
If Chevy would put it’s 6L V8 into it’s lower models I’d probably be driving that. Just didn’t want to pay for the high country.
I just wouldn’t buy a Nissan. Hideous.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 10:43 pm to Rocco4
Regular cab or super crew?
Require 4x4?
How many miles per yr?
Left over 17' Tundras are about 4K off.
Require 4x4?
How many miles per yr?
Left over 17' Tundras are about 4K off.
Posted on 12/7/17 at 11:15 pm to 3deadtrolls
quote:
They have their issues like the other brands
Not sure this is an accurate statement. I've owned two Toyota trucks and had zero issues with either of them.
Not sure I'd compare zero issues to other brands like Ford where it's 50/50 on owners suggesting I buy a Ford.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:14 am to Rocco4
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Ram vs F150 vs Silverado
3/4 or 1 ton ---> Ram with Cummins. Not even a close argument for the others.
1/2 ton gas ---> Tundra
1/2 ton diesel ---> Would not go this route until they get some bugs worked out
3/4 ton gas ---> Ram Power Wagon
I wouldn't buy a new truck right now, however. Prices are stupid high. Trucks have become so popular. Driving up the sticker.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:27 am to starsandstripes
Explain yourself on why the ram if diesel over and F250 please
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:35 am to Rocco4
Ram is definitely not as “sexy” as a f-150 or Silverado but you can beat the hell out of it and will give you a lot of miles for less price.
On that note my Tacoma does me right for what I need it for. If i lived on a normal street and not uptown I would have a Tundra.
On that note my Tacoma does me right for what I need it for. If i lived on a normal street and not uptown I would have a Tundra.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 1:54 am to dcrews
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I've owned two Toyota trucks and had zero issues with either of them.
No doubt Toyota builds a reliable truck, but in 2017 everyone else does too.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 2:25 am to Rocco4
Posted on 12/8/17 at 2:26 am to the paradigm
You seem culcha'd
Posted on 12/8/17 at 2:42 am to sonoma8
quote:
Explain yourself on why the ram if diesel over and F250 please
Cummins
Posted on 12/8/17 at 2:44 am to starsandstripes
Besides that lol. Im looking at both pretty hard right now. I like the Rams interior but question its reliability
Posted on 12/8/17 at 3:22 am to sonoma8
The straight 6 design of a Cummins is more efficient, more durable, is way better for maintenance and repair than Ford's V block.
"power curve" for Cummins v Ford shows you get power that is steady through your RPM range in Cummins but in Ford you need to spike the RPMs to build torque and the torque plateaus and comes down rapidly when outside a very narrow range of RPM.
Having to go so high in RPM means, in loose terms, a lot of damn energy in that system that is not coupled to doing work. Large contributor to maintenance issues.
If you decide to go straight pipe it'll be easier in Cummins.
If you decide to do some stuff on your own, like minor things like change a belt, it's easier in Cummins.
There's a reason that people specifically look for Cummins in older trucks, like when they're buying a used truck to add to the fleet, or toy hauler etc. The Cummins will last.
I have an older Cummins with 500,000 miles and it still goes like a freight train.
Ford has gotten better with diesel engine production but they should have never stopped partnering with International. That was 20 years ago. Those were very good engines.
All of them are over priced but Ford seems to mark it up to insane levels.
I do like Ram interior better but most people seem to like Ford better. Ford usually has more bells and whistles but at a certain point it just seems like a waste, and just becomes more that can go wrong.
Ford often has provided a better transmission, especially since Ram went away from the NV 5600 for heavy duty options. I have the 5600 and it's a beast. However, they now offer an Aisin transmission, have been for a while now. I would not purchase a Ram without the Aisin. Automatic transmission, will last a very long time, even when used for heavy work constantly. ETA for clarity - I consider the Aisin to be on par or better than any Ford offers.
Suspension durability I think is a wash but ride comfort is probably Ford. But that isn't important to me, as both trucks ride very well.
People don't buy old trucks (3/4 and 1 ton) as daily drivers, so I think it makes the most sense to view a truck purchase like that as a work truck that needs to perform long term. Advantage goes to Ram there, by a long shot.
This guy gives some comparisons and his opinions. His channel is pretty good, but he's a rambling dude and drifts off point some times. He's a Ram guy because he does hot shot trucking. I pretty much agree with everything he says. But he offers a lot of information on how he maintains his fleet. He does own at least one Ford, so he's not talking out his rear end. Part 1 of 2
"power curve" for Cummins v Ford shows you get power that is steady through your RPM range in Cummins but in Ford you need to spike the RPMs to build torque and the torque plateaus and comes down rapidly when outside a very narrow range of RPM.
Having to go so high in RPM means, in loose terms, a lot of damn energy in that system that is not coupled to doing work. Large contributor to maintenance issues.
If you decide to go straight pipe it'll be easier in Cummins.
If you decide to do some stuff on your own, like minor things like change a belt, it's easier in Cummins.
There's a reason that people specifically look for Cummins in older trucks, like when they're buying a used truck to add to the fleet, or toy hauler etc. The Cummins will last.
I have an older Cummins with 500,000 miles and it still goes like a freight train.
Ford has gotten better with diesel engine production but they should have never stopped partnering with International. That was 20 years ago. Those were very good engines.
All of them are over priced but Ford seems to mark it up to insane levels.
I do like Ram interior better but most people seem to like Ford better. Ford usually has more bells and whistles but at a certain point it just seems like a waste, and just becomes more that can go wrong.
Ford often has provided a better transmission, especially since Ram went away from the NV 5600 for heavy duty options. I have the 5600 and it's a beast. However, they now offer an Aisin transmission, have been for a while now. I would not purchase a Ram without the Aisin. Automatic transmission, will last a very long time, even when used for heavy work constantly. ETA for clarity - I consider the Aisin to be on par or better than any Ford offers.
Suspension durability I think is a wash but ride comfort is probably Ford. But that isn't important to me, as both trucks ride very well.
People don't buy old trucks (3/4 and 1 ton) as daily drivers, so I think it makes the most sense to view a truck purchase like that as a work truck that needs to perform long term. Advantage goes to Ram there, by a long shot.
This guy gives some comparisons and his opinions. His channel is pretty good, but he's a rambling dude and drifts off point some times. He's a Ram guy because he does hot shot trucking. I pretty much agree with everything he says. But he offers a lot of information on how he maintains his fleet. He does own at least one Ford, so he's not talking out his rear end. Part 1 of 2
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Posted on 12/8/17 at 4:22 am to Rocco4
They'll be discounted heavily, but you can pay MSRP if you like. The dealership will like that.
I wouldn't buy a Ram ever. You should look at Tundra, but if you aren't willing to do that, then the F150 is your next best option.
I wouldn't buy a Ram ever. You should look at Tundra, but if you aren't willing to do that, then the F150 is your next best option.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:17 am to kywildcatfanone
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You should look at Tundra,
If you own a refinery
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:18 am to sonoma8
There’s nothing wrong with a Ram, better than a Chevy, Chevrolet quality has really gone downhill.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 6:20 am to the paradigm
That is absolutely terrible.
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:03 am to BeerMoney
I’d go ford or Chevy. I hate the way the new F150s look. They look cheap and too top heavy with the little wheels they stock it with
The new Silverados look tight
The new Silverados look tight
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:18 am to 3deadtrolls
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No doubt Toyota builds a reliable truck, but in 2017 everyone else does too.
Absolutely.
I'm looking to upgrade from my Canyon to a full size in the relatively near future. I'm basically between the tundra and f150. The abysmal mpg is really a turn off for me with the tundra. Rear seat room is really lacking in the GM, Ram, and Nissan imo. Also my last vehicle was a Yukon which I drove for about 10 years. Overall it was a great vehicle but I am tired of the shitty GM interior quality. My Canyon is just over a year old and has all kinds of little phantom rattles and creaks
Posted on 12/8/17 at 8:22 am to Rocco4
I just bought a Silverado 2 or 3 months ago. Traded in a Sierra. Take whichever is cheaper between the two IMO. I've always liked the GMC's but Chevy has that color matched grill which looks better to me. You might like it better.
I looked at Ford, Dodge, Nissan and Toyota.
Honestly, mostly old people or people in urban areas drive the Toyota. I drove it, mainly because old people are usually smarter. There's nothing really wrong with it, it just looks funny to me. Too bubble shaped. Again, that's a personal preference. After driving it, it was a truck. Solid, hard on gas, but really lacking in creature comforts.
Dodge, (Ram) I didn't go to a dealership, but a co-worker has one and it's nice enough. Had tool boxes in the bed rail area, and the Bluetooth was adequate. For me, it was just the fact that every piece of crap vehicle I've ever owned was a Dodge. Plus, they were higher than the Silverado.
Ford - only place you really see a lot of F150's are in Baton Rouge area. It must be a culture/ locale thing. I may be wrong and I just don't pay attention to them much I guess. They all look the same and have so for a number of years. I drove it, and it was just ok. The price wasn't the best, and the only Ford I ever owned which was a brand new '99 F250 left me stranded more than once in a calendar year. Ignition issues.
Nissan - I have owned 4 Nissans, and wife has one now. They. Never. Break. I loved the Titan, wanted it, etc., but at 12 MPG I just couldn't see it. If I had a truck I didn't live/work out of, then I would consider as a weekender.
Chevy/GMC - creature comforts. I love technology and Apple Car Play sold me on this truck. The technology and the quality were far better than the others. Yes, it's like driving a computer and they break. But an Extended Warranty if you're worried, but damn near 10 years ahead of the others on technology and comfort. Plus, you can buy a 50K truck for about 35K right now.
I looked at Ford, Dodge, Nissan and Toyota.
Honestly, mostly old people or people in urban areas drive the Toyota. I drove it, mainly because old people are usually smarter. There's nothing really wrong with it, it just looks funny to me. Too bubble shaped. Again, that's a personal preference. After driving it, it was a truck. Solid, hard on gas, but really lacking in creature comforts.
Dodge, (Ram) I didn't go to a dealership, but a co-worker has one and it's nice enough. Had tool boxes in the bed rail area, and the Bluetooth was adequate. For me, it was just the fact that every piece of crap vehicle I've ever owned was a Dodge. Plus, they were higher than the Silverado.
Ford - only place you really see a lot of F150's are in Baton Rouge area. It must be a culture/ locale thing. I may be wrong and I just don't pay attention to them much I guess. They all look the same and have so for a number of years. I drove it, and it was just ok. The price wasn't the best, and the only Ford I ever owned which was a brand new '99 F250 left me stranded more than once in a calendar year. Ignition issues.
Nissan - I have owned 4 Nissans, and wife has one now. They. Never. Break. I loved the Titan, wanted it, etc., but at 12 MPG I just couldn't see it. If I had a truck I didn't live/work out of, then I would consider as a weekender.
Chevy/GMC - creature comforts. I love technology and Apple Car Play sold me on this truck. The technology and the quality were far better than the others. Yes, it's like driving a computer and they break. But an Extended Warranty if you're worried, but damn near 10 years ahead of the others on technology and comfort. Plus, you can buy a 50K truck for about 35K right now.
This post was edited on 12/8/17 at 8:25 am
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