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re: Ram vs F150 vs Silverado

Posted on 12/12/17 at 7:33 pm to
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48188 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 7:33 pm to
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This latest argument reminds me of the idiot last week who was triggered when I posted that dealers will show you their dealer invoice on a vehicle if you ask to see it because dealer invoice is not their true cost.

Actually there were a few such posters.



How much do they usually pay below invoice on trucks?

When is the best time to buy a 2017 model? I would imagine last week of December is good.
Posted by BRL79
Member since Mar 2014
3138 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 7:39 pm to
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No one cares. All we want is the lowest price possible. If that means you have to take a loss so you can revert back to one then so be it.

Wasn't asking for your empathy, Just stating a fact. I know you can't afford something nice without huge discounts.
Posted by BRL79
Member since Mar 2014
3138 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 7:42 pm to
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. When I looked last summer, the salesman immediately took about $8k off the sticker of an XLT without me even trying to haggle.

quote:

salesman

Posted by PuraVida
Indamarsh, LA
Member since Oct 2013
1038 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 7:49 pm to
Ram > Siverado > F150
Posted by LSUlefty
Youngsville, LA
Member since Dec 2007
28602 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 7:49 pm to
I own a Ram and will probably buy another one. People have this stigma that Ram is junk. They have the best ride and the most bang for the buck. The downside is the resale, but I think the initial purchase offsets that. You'll get a better resale out of the Tundra, but you also pay more upfront.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 8:05 pm to
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I audited dealerships as well. They will not make one move that loses them money. They actually make more by “taking a loss” to meet sales quotas


How is this possible? Doesn't this imply the manufacturers will then lose money? Where does the manufacturer make a profit?
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 8:09 pm to
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Just scored 2017 Nissan Titan Diesel 4x4 at Giles in Lafayette and it comes with a lifetime power train warranty,,,,,let’s see any dealership top that warranty, or price for a 4x4 Diesel


I'm interested to see how badly the EPA garbage affects these new, small diesels.

I hate the EPA.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Member since Aug 2014
11749 posts
Posted on 12/12/17 at 8:31 pm to
Volume bonuses from the manufacturer will offset losses on the front end. Back end financing and warranties make money. Used cars have a higher profit margin. The parts, sales and body shop turns out a ridiculous profit margin.

The front end makes pennies compared to the rest on a sale.
Posted by Boston911
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2013
2600 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:52 pm to
Do your research, 12,300 towing capacity, just pulled 43hp tractor on a double axle car hauler and got 14mpg
Posted by jdeval1
Member since Dec 2009
7525 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

I own a Ram and will probably buy another one. People have this stigma that Ram is junk. They have the best ride and the most bang for the buck

My last 2 trucks have been Rams and they've been great vehicles.
Posted by Janky
Team Primo
Member since Jun 2011
35957 posts
Posted on 12/15/17 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

I know you can't afford something nice without huge discounts.


You got me.
Posted by Rocco4
Hard streets of Santa Monica CA
Member since Dec 2017
698 posts
Posted on 12/27/17 at 11:51 pm to
Just an update i ended up buying a 2011 toyota tundra with 68000 miles, couldn't justify the new car prices. Hope in the end i made a good choice.
Posted by Bustedsack
Member since Dec 2017
4387 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:24 am to
How much did you end up spending?
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84835 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 12:28 am to
I bet you paid through the nose.
Posted by starsandstripes
Georgia
Member since Nov 2017
11897 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:00 am to
quote:

Volume bonuses from the manufacturer will offset losses on the front end. Back end financing and warranties make money. Used cars have a higher profit margin. The parts, sales and body shop turns out a ridiculous profit margin.

The front end makes pennies compared to the rest on a sale.


How does this affect the customer that can come in and buy with cash? Or does it?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85576 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 1:21 am to
Congrats. I love my Tundra. The newer Rams, with the dual pipes, do catch my eye though.
Posted by Thib-a-doe Tiger
Member since Nov 2012
36811 posts
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:07 am to
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How is this possible? Doesn't this imply the manufacturers will then lose money? Where does the manufacturer make a profit?



The manufacturer marks up the vehicles to the dealership a lot. Then there’s financing, etc.


The whole process is made to be as convoluted as possible so you don’t know if they really screwed you.


It’s why they won’t correct you when you walk in and say you’re paying cash so you should get the best deal. They don’t want you to pay cash
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