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re: Raising a child in a non religious home with a very religious extended family
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you'd put your kid at a severe social disadvantage to make a silly point? you'd sacrifice his/her social life for selfish reasons
I really think you're overstating the social disadvantage aspect. This is anecdotal, but like I said earlier, my wife was raised in a non-church going household and it hasn't held her back socially one bit, even coming from Ascension parish, which is pretty religious. She had a lot of friends in high school and even more into adulthood. Certainly, more so than me and I was raised in regular church-going household.
One of her best friends is devout Catholic and another is very atheist. I just think this generation has a general respect for each other's beliefs. Of course, my opinion is shaped by the unique group of people I associate with and care about.
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Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:10 pm to urinetrouble
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I really think you're overstating the social disadvantage aspect.
i lived it, and saw it destroy other kids who weren't as strong as me
i had the advantage of having certain traits that made believers always value trying to save me. others didn't have these traits and were social lepers (who then often fostered that counter-culture bullshite)
i can only imagine what it's like to try to raise an atheist kid in a rural area, esp further north
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the answer: i want you to learn about Christianity and when you grow up i want you to learn about other religions and make your own decisions
Then buy them a book. Forcing them to go to church is making them ENGAGE in religion, not learn about it.
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i mean shite i hope you don't plan on allowing your child to engage in cultural memes like santa clause or the easter bunny
Santa is just a jolly fat man that brings presents if you behave. He has no religious connection whatsoever. After he/she starts asking questions about "is Santa real" then it's - nope, he sure isnt. We buy you gifts because we love you.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:10 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you are the one that said religious people wouldnt let their kids associate with atheist children.
and that's life. it's a reality that i have to face as a parent. that is irrelevant to having a desire to give my kids the most social opportunities as possible to allow him/her to grow as a person the most
right, but you are just saying christians are close minded and then chastise urinetrouble for taking swipes at christians for being close minded. You dont see the problem there?
many christians are close minded, just b.c almost everyone is close minded.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:11 pm to WDE24
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What?
religion is not a science.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i lived it, and saw it destroy other kids who weren't as strong as me
How Christian of them...
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:13 pm to dnm3305
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Forcing them to go to church is making them ENGAGE in religion, not learn about it.
which isn't a bad thing. chrisianity is not so bad. it's not like we're in a country dominated by islam
by and large, christianity has a solid moral basis. it's also a large part of western culture and its development
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Santa is just a jolly fat man that brings presents if you behave. He has no religious connection whatsoever.
you still have the same questions in the end. you don't believe in santa either (or at least i hope not), but you taught your kid he was real
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After he/she starts asking questions about "is Santa real" then it's - nope, he sure isnt. We buy you gifts because we love you.
same sort of response can be had in the other area
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:14 pm to dnm3305
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How Christian of them...
again, your swipes at christianity have no merit to this discussion. they don't have to associate with people they don't want to, for whatever reason. my kid won't have a white trash name, either. my kid will play sports. etc etc
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:15 pm to Hawkeye95
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but you are just saying christians are close minded and then chastise urinetrouble for taking swipes at christians for being close minded. You dont see the problem there?
it has no bearing on this discussion
and i certainly would not use my child as some pawn to make a counter-point to that irrational behavior
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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same sort of response can be had in the other area
They are not relative. One is discussing a small white lie about a jolly fat man. The other is making them engage in something that you completely disagree with and is the main catalyst for many social issues throughout the entire world. I would think that would be easily distinguishable, but apparently it's black and white right?
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:16 pm to dnm3305
I wouldn't tell my ten year old that. Kids don't start questioning faith until someone dies or they are 16+. Even at that age I still don't see the need to tell my kid my belief. I will always be a major influence in their life. I know that my way of thinking is the minority and don't want to sway them one way or the other. I still believe religion is needed and is a good thing for the most part. I don't want to be the reason my kids become nonbelievers. They need to make that decision on their own.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and i certainly would not use my child as some pawn to make a counter-point to that irrational behavior
That's the problem. You keep seeing this as an ego issue. I would use my fricking child to make a statement.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:18 pm to dnm3305
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The other is making them engage in something that you completely disagree with
you "completely disagree" with christianity?
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and is the main catalyst for many social issues throughout the entire world.
christianity? a big part of the fuel of western development and our superior culture?
i'd rather my kids hang around kids with christian parents than hang around kids with militant atheist parents like yourself
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:19 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I wouldn't tell my ten year old that. Kids don't start questioning faith until someone dies or they are 16+. Even at that age I still don't see the need to tell my kid my belief.
I was calling bullshite on religion and asking logical questions well before the age of ten and I group up in a househeld that never missed mass and my mother was a catechism teacher.
Edit: Funny, I remember playing the "I would/wouldnt want to see her tits" game as a young kid too, just like you.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I still believe religion is needed and is a good thing for the most part. I don't want to be the reason my kids become nonbelievers.
agreed
if they wish to discuss in young adulthood, if they're capable, i'll discuss it for sure. my parents are christian and had no place in my moral/philosophical/religious development. i want to give my children the same structure to develop their own belief system.
i strongly believe that social inclusion and social confidence is possibly the most important social structure to instill in children, so i would take great steps to ensure inclusion and conformity. when they have the base, and when they are more experienced, they will make their own decision.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:21 pm to dnm3305
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You keep seeing this as an ego issue. I would use my fricking child to make a statement.
i pity your children and hope you have none
might as well give them a white trash name that will tattoo them for life on top of the militant atheism
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:23 pm to Hawkeye95
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I'm agnostic. Meaning I have no clue what the frick is out there and admit that.
actually you are probably an atheist. an atheist is someone who does not actively believe in god.
The difference between atheism and agnosticism is slight but meaningful.
If you believe that no God does or can exist, you're an atheist. If you claim to not know of the existence or non-existence of a God, you're an agnostic. You can then break that down to agnostic theism and agnostic atheism. An agnostic atheist has no personal belief in God, while also not claiming to know anything for certain. An agnostic theist believes in the existence of God (or higher power), but can not claim to know what/how/why that is.
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Almost everyone is agnostic, meaning when pressed they will say - well anything is possible.
I would agree, which is why I and many people find true atheists (those who claim there is no and can not be any God) arrogant a lot of the time. You can't possibly KNOW what has yet to be proven one way or another.
I did a lot of research in to this over the last few year, because mine and my wife's parents are religious, but we aren't so much so. I would categorize myself as an agnostic theist, so I will have no issue with my daughter (12 days old!) wanting to explore any belief presented to her.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:24 pm to dnm3305
Your not the norm.
Fact is I live in baton rouge, my kids aren't going to public school, they are going to Catholic school and they will be raised Catholic. I think that's the best route for my kids to take. I'm going to go along with it b/c it dosnt bother me to and I don't like telling my kids to do something if I'm not willing to do it.
Fact is I live in baton rouge, my kids aren't going to public school, they are going to Catholic school and they will be raised Catholic. I think that's the best route for my kids to take. I'm going to go along with it b/c it dosnt bother me to and I don't like telling my kids to do something if I'm not willing to do it.
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i pity your children and hope you have none
might as well give them a white trash name that will tattoo them for life on top of the militant atheism
Go frick yourself man. I will raise my kids to be accepting (it seems you cant grasp this as if someone is not religious they are an outcast), confident, free spirited, intellectual, and most importantly, independent. They will grow up hunting with me, they will work their arse off in the summer time, they will party hard, play hard and work hard. They will be raised with moral integrity. They will be great at everything they do, just like I was and all of my brothers are. You have no idea who I am.
This post was edited on 12/30/14 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/30/14 at 1:28 pm to dnm3305
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(it seems you cant grasp this as if someone is not religious they are an outcast
nope. never said anything along those lines
in louisiana, you exponentially increase the chance that they will be a social outcast
that is a stone cold fact
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they will party hard
...as long as they have people to party with
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