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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.

Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:26 pm to
Posted by Foy
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:26 pm to
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People who take it up on themselves to go beyond have always been rewarded with faster advancement, more money, etc. This was accepted even if with some quiet resent through the millennial generation.

The younger pros today seem to want to stand on pride and principle by doing only exactly what the job description says they need to do, but also don't expect to be passed over or generally overlooked when it comes to career advancement. And they want it right fricking now.

Personally, it bugs the shite out of me. Professionally, it's a complete change in how to deal with young new hires because it doesn't seem logical.


This is drivel that every generation has said about the previous generation.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:28 pm to
Nothing wrong with it until you see someone pass you by and the word "fair" enters your brain.

Anyone who chooses to be a solid worker and give the minimum required effort should be applauded and rewarded with steady employment. As long as they accept that some people will do more than the minimum and reap different rewards. That's the common sense stuff I see lacking in the new crop. I assume they'll figure it out eventually.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:33 pm to
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This is drivel


No it's not. Here I'll prove it to you

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every generation has said about the previous generation.



You have to assume every generation was wrong instead of you.

I understand it's not unusual, and I'm pretty sure I've implied and later said it's an age thing.

The difference for this generation is the social media part of their lives. Unless you think social media doesn't change people at all, you probably agree there are nuances there. Right?
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 7:34 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:34 pm to
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Anyone who chooses to be a solid worker and give the minimum required effort should be applauded and rewarded with steady employment.


If you believe that will happen, I’ve got some land about twenty miles south of Cameron that I’ll sell you.

It’s pretty much up or out in the long term. You become more and more expensive to employ. If you don’t increase your value, you will be gone.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:34 pm to
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Exactly. Supply outweighs demand because there has been a major stunting of advancement at the top. The lower-levels are full of qualified candidates because very few have been given the opportunity to advance.


Are we just going to ignore that the workforce in America has essentially doubled since the 60’s and 70’s? Almost all women work now.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:37 pm to
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If you believe that will happen, I’ve got some land about twenty miles south of Cameron that I’ll sell you.


I know for an absolute fact it happens. Beyond even just my little slice of corporate heaven.

You think people are getting fired for doing their job right now? Companies would kill for an army of those people these days.

Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:40 pm to
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Companies would kill for an army of those people these days.


But they won’t tomorrow. When the new generation comes along, they’ll dump the 45s who are doing the minimum and cycle in 25s.

And the pendulum will swing. We went from flower children to Reaganites in a little over a decade.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:47 pm to
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When the new generation comes along, they’ll dump the 45s who are doing the minimum and cycle in 25s.


Getting to 45 doing the bare minimum is a privilege, in a general sense. That's part of being passed over. Better for those folks to be in a growth industry or a growth oriented company so hires aren't replacing but growing.

But even that statement isn't completely true these days. A reliable overpriced 45 year old is more coveted now than the previous 15 years. The only threat to them is an industry downturn. Which I'll admit is very possible these days. Just good enough 40 somethings should hate Dems right now.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:49 pm to
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This philosophy works well if improvement means advancement.




It always means advancement. Maybe not at the shitty job you seem to be referencing, but value is created and can be shopped or used to create something from the ground up as you and I did.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7195 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:49 pm to
Maybe they are kinda defeated bc too many boomer shitheads ruined the world.

Life isn’t like it used to when 2 paychecks would buy you a new car and 2 years of salary would get you a new house.

I can see how it could be a bit deflating. And on top of that, they have to deal with people in management that generally don’t have as much education as they do and on top of that have zero actual management or people skills.

This generation hating/blaming can go both ways champ.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 1:16 am
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:50 pm to
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A reliable overpriced 45 year old is more coveted now than the previous 15 years.


That’s true now. It won’t be within a few years.

That’s the point. Grow or die. Things WILL change. And when it does, you will be paging Dr. Darwin if you thought you could cruise at a job doing the minimum.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:50 pm to
Sounds like they work as much as they're paid. I would do the same if there's no opportunity for growth within a company.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:55 pm to
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I would do the same if there's no opportunity for growth within a company.


Or . . .

You could get some skills and customers and find a better company.

Almost EVERY company has “opportunity for growth.” If you are valuable, you’ll get the opportunity or you will drag that motherfricker up.

(Closely held family companies are often an exception.)
Posted by pelicansfan123
Member since Jan 2015
2232 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:58 pm to
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Anyone who chooses to be a solid worker and give the minimum required effort should be applauded and rewarded with steady employment. As long as they accept that some people will do more than the minimum and reap different rewards. That's the common sense stuff I see lacking in the new crop. I assume they'll figure it out eventually.


Sure. As long as the ones who are doing more than expected aren't pressuring the ones "only" doing what's expected of them into doing more work.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 7:59 pm to
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It always means advancement.

This is not true and that's the issue.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
63000 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:03 pm to
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You could get some skills and customers and find a better company.



Get some customers? You realize how very few people that work can actually do things like that?

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Almost EVERY company has “opportunity for growth.” If you are valuable, you’ll get the opportunity or you will drag that motherfricker up.



You'd be wrong. Companies don't promote or train anymore. Their first instinct is to bring someone in with the exact same skills as the guy who left. This is especially true when you see diversity hires pass through. Companies choke out their employees to squeeze every nickel and dime they can. My contribution is only seen in the charts and the bottom line. Companies are not interested in employees growing within the company.


This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:06 pm
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
20336 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:04 pm to
We literally just had a thread where multiple people said they'd fire someone for taking paternity leave. Why would anyone go above and beyond for a company that wants to treat them like that?
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
10020 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:04 pm to
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Bet your teammates and colleagues love you... I am also older millenial and will put in extra hours to get shite done.

Bet your family loves you... see how this works?
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
Member since Jun 2011
72720 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:06 pm to
Anyone that pays an unlivable wage deserves to be quit on. I feel no sympathy for businesses that hire teenagers/young adults, pay them minimum wage and expect them to put up with assholes screaming at them over a burger.

If you are that strapped for cash that you can’t pay a good wage, then do the fiscally responsible thing and do the work yourself. Stop being lazy and expecting others to do the work for you.

Working 50-60+ hours a week isn’t admirable. It shows you’re a fricking idiot that values work instead of your family. And then you’ll act surprised when Jody is at your home railing your wife because you work so much you don’t give her the attention she needs. Then you’ll get divorced, talk about how marriage is a “scam”, all women are whores and become a regular posting about it on the OT.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:11 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:10 pm to
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Why would anyone go above and beyond for a company that wants to treat them like that?


Y’all are dense. You are going above and beyond FOR YOU, not for the company. Make yourself valuable and you will be.

Do the minimum because you aren’t getting time off that no one in the history of work before your generation got, and you won’t be.
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