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re: Proposed Toll/Loop Along Airline in BR
Posted on 9/23/15 at 3:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
Posted on 9/23/15 at 3:16 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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It's also racist to say that I110 has two 99 degrees turns in it solely for social appeasement reasons.
I think you need to learn what the word "racist" means.
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Posted on 9/23/15 at 4:03 pm to zelman
Look for something like what they did to the Huey P. Long Bridge here in Jefferson Parish. Three lanes on each side, it takes two minutes from end-to-end which was unthinkable five years ago.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 7:09 pm to Boudreaux35
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Interesting. I am curios who performed the study to come up with this plan. It is pretty much exactly what has been presented several times before.
Government can't find a better way to waste tax dollars
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1. The Old Bridge has 11 ft travel lanes and no shoulder. Expect twice as many accidents daily on that bridge as on the I-10 Bridge.
1. The lanes are the exact same width as the lanes on the new bridge and there are not as many lanes merging in and exiting as the new bridge. 11 ft lanes and no shoulders is not ideal, but cars and trucks won't have to change lanes and merge until they are off the bridge and that will help reduce the amount of accidents.
2. According to this study, 11 foot lanes had no signfigant difference in accident rate than 12 foot lanes. LINK
3. They can always do like what they did to the other HPL bridge and expand it to 3 lanes and shoulders.
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2. Redirecting "loop traffic" back to I-12 at Airline is a mistake. The whole idea of a loop is to direct "thru traffic" around the congested area.
How does this plan not redirect traffic? Have you actually read the plan? I have and it is the best first step that BR can take. It triples the capacity of the Airline corridor and moves traffic from the overused new bridge to the underutilized olf bridge. Does it solve every problem? No, but it does alleviate the biggest problem and that is the new bridge.
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The north leg of the loop needs to extend out to east Livingston Parish.
That is a fight that will take years and has been the problem that has stopped every other attempted solution. However the plan was designe to be compatiable with those loop plans if the political climate ever allows that to happen. It is also designed to connect with the west side connector plan (basically a southern loop). Those 2 projects are progressing independent of each other, but are designed to connect and make an "inner loop."
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3. "Urban Renewal Zone" - If the initial step of that plan is not "Level with bulldozers", they are wasting money.
If they triple the capacity on the Airline corridor, don't you think that developers will be flocking back to that area? Improving access to the area is the first step to revitalizing it.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 7:28 pm to TigerRob20
Heh. This is so Baton Rouge. This is the exact same idea from 1955.
This plan was scrapped and they built 110 instead. You can still see the skeleton of this old 50s project at the Airline intersections of Florida Blvd, Greenwell Springs, and Plank Rd.
This plan was scrapped and they built 110 instead. You can still see the skeleton of this old 50s project at the Airline intersections of Florida Blvd, Greenwell Springs, and Plank Rd.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 7:51 pm to Red Stick Tigress
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I realize that, but north BR is not where the people live or where the people are trying to get.
Sometimes I need to send my techs out to Tony's for some boudin balls and catfish before my lunch brake. Plant operators got tight break hours, this would work wonders
Posted on 9/23/15 at 7:56 pm to TigerRob20
It's going to back Airline up pretty good but anything is an improvement
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:11 pm to The Cool No 9
Actually it triples the capacity of Airline. Basically they rebuilt the travel lanes on the very edge of the right of way, then build a toll road in the massive new median. So instead of 6 lanes on Airline now, you'd have six lanes on Airline plus 6 lanes of toll expressway.
As far as the Huey Long bridge.....no one uses the damn thing. It's built and paid for, but it's under utilized.
The tunnels here in Pittsburgh mostly have 11' lanes. Actually a lot of bridges and tunnels on the east coast have narrow lanes like that. People survive. I don't think it would be a problem for Baton Rouge if another 30,000-40,000 cars take that bridge every day. It would probably be good for the retail and industrial developments in the area.
Best plan I've seen for Baton Rouge so far and it would solve a lot of issues in town.
As far as the Huey Long bridge.....no one uses the damn thing. It's built and paid for, but it's under utilized.
The tunnels here in Pittsburgh mostly have 11' lanes. Actually a lot of bridges and tunnels on the east coast have narrow lanes like that. People survive. I don't think it would be a problem for Baton Rouge if another 30,000-40,000 cars take that bridge every day. It would probably be good for the retail and industrial developments in the area.
Best plan I've seen for Baton Rouge so far and it would solve a lot of issues in town.
This post was edited on 9/23/15 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:20 pm to dewster
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Basically they rebuilt the travel lanes on the very edge of the right of way, then build a toll road in the massive new median. So instead of 6 lanes on Airline now, you'd have six lanes on Airline plus 6 lanes of toll expressway.
Where did you see that? Is there actually room for 12 lanes through there? Are the toll lanes going to be elevated or something?
This post was edited on 9/23/15 at 8:23 pm
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:30 pm to WeeWee
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Baton Rouge doesn't have A traffic problem, it has alot of problems that manifest into a giant clusterf**k traffice situation. This plan addresses one of those problems by giving vehicles and alternate route to cross the river. If you read the actually plan you will find out why. The plan will triple the capacity of Airline highway and allow drivers to cross the river without having to stop at redlights or toll booths. So does this fix the BR traffic situation? No, but it is a good first step and it alleviates the problem of congestion on the I-10 river bridge. Luckily the ppl that designed the project know more about this stuff than Louisiana politicans or TD posters because they designed it to be compatiable with a new southern bridge and a loop from Walker.
Glad someone on here can actually envision this in the proper context.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:30 pm to SG_Geaux
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Where did you see that? Is there actually room for 12 lanes through there? Are the toll lanes going to be elevated or something?
What I gather is that the feeder roads would run alongside the toll road. Similar to what you see in Texas cities. The toll expressway would overpass intersections and rail crossings when the feeder roads would not. I imagine some neighborhoods along the route would demand things like landscaping and sound walls near them. Retail along the feeder roads would get more visibility than they do now.
There's a lot of right of way available along the Airline route. The current highway is built near the centerline of the right of way with a very narrow median with unused space outside each shoulder (there are some swales and open drainage that would have to be covered). They may have to expropriate some things but for the most part they have a generous strip of available space to work with through EBR.
This post was edited on 9/23/15 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:37 pm to dewster
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The tunnels here in Pittsburgh mostly have 11' lanes. Actually a lot of bridges and tunnels on the east coast have narrow lanes like that. People survive.
You're severely underestimating how badly the stupid fricks in this city drive.
This post was edited on 9/23/15 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:46 pm to dewster
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There's a lot of right of way available along the Airline route.
I didn't realize how much ROW there actually is.
Posted on 9/23/15 at 8:59 pm to SG_Geaux
There is a very wide ROW along airline. The road itself takes up a small portion of it. The route was originally considered to be sort of a loop around Baton Rouge. I'm not sure if they envisioned rail or pipelines to fit in there....but much of it is unused.
They actually already have service roads along side of it in some sections near Plank, Greenwell Springs, and near I-12.
Edit: Airline is already limited access between Plank and Scenic Highway.
They actually already have service roads along side of it in some sections near Plank, Greenwell Springs, and near I-12.
Edit: Airline is already limited access between Plank and Scenic Highway.
This post was edited on 9/23/15 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 9/23/15 at 9:07 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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quote: The tunnels here in Pittsburgh mostly have 11' lanes. Actually a lot of bridges and tunnels on the east coast have narrow lanes like that. People survive. You're severely underestimating how badly the stupid fricks in this city drive.
I've driven in most major cities in this country including Pittsburgh and there are extremely bad drivers all over this country. Baton Rouge doesn't hold exclusive rights to dumbass drivers.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 10:06 am to dewster
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What I gather is that the feeder roads would run alongside the toll road. Similar to what you see in Texas cities. The toll expressway would overpass intersections and rail crossings when the feeder roads would not. I imagine some neighborhoods along the route would demand things like landscaping and sound walls near them. Retail along the feeder roads would get more visibility than they do now.
There's a lot of right of way available along the Airline route. The current highway is built near the centerline of the right of way with a very narrow median with unused space outside each shoulder (there are some swales and open drainage that would have to be covered). They may have to expropriate some things but for the most part they have a generous strip of available space to work with through EBR.
If you read the plan that was linked earlier in the thread, there will be 4 tolled free flow (no stop lights) lanes with overpasses @ major intersections along the route. There will be 4 untolled frontage lanes (2 on each side) running along side it. IIRC they mentioned something about sound walls in the plan, but I could be confusing it with the bridge to 10/12 split expansion plan.
There is a ton of right a way on airline and the approaches to the old bridge are straight with no curves or intersections close to the bridge so the accident rate should be reduced. If the demand is there the private company can also expand the bridge like they did the HPL in Jefferson Parish and then it will be awesome.
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