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re: Plane crash in Palm Beach County today
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:11 pm to Tyga Woods
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:11 pm to Tyga Woods
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Ice buildup on the wings increases drag and reduces lift
Would it be so bad that the deicing system couldn't keep up?
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:12 pm to LSUFanHouston
They didn’t even need to divert. They would have been fine doing anything other than turning north. That turn to the north is baffling. The pilot on the radio was hoping for a smoother ride, so they must have gotten into some bad turbulence from that blowup east of Cape Coral and thought north was the was to go.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:14 pm to The Pirate King
quote:I hope I am wrong, but.... if it's from Austin, I know someone that has a one of those and has a daughter or neice that really wanted to be a pilot.
Obviously complete speculation at this point, but the pilot sounded like a young woman, probably in her 20's, with lower flight hours. Makes you wonder if there was a more experienced pilot on board and if so, why they didn't step in sooner.
Also, if she was a low hours or training pilot, if the weather was out there, why she was flying through that to begin with.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:15 pm to stout
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Would it be so bad that the deicing system couldn't keep up?
Depends on how well the systems have been maintained. The pilot acknowledged the icing and didn’t seem terribly concerned about it at that time but who knows
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:16 pm to TIGERHOLD
Oh stfu
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:17 pm to RedFoxx
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I haven’t studied the systems on a Lear 60, but from some research they do have inflight anti icing system, but it has to be activated prior to flying into known icing conditions.
A failure to activate that prior to flying into that weather could be the cause
Some deicing systems have an automated system activation.
Also, not all deicing systems are heat rerouted from the engines. Some jets have boots too, which are inflatable rubber membranes on the wings that expand and contract to crack the ice off.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Wouldn’t the wings provide some kind of horizontal stability?
Not when they’re loaded with ice
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:22 pm to Tyga Woods
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Depends on how well the systems have been maintained.
Deicing systems are part of a plane's annual inspection
I remember them inspecting the pneumatic boots on my friend's Cessna CJ2
This post was edited on 11/1/26 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:25 pm to choupiquesushi
Wow- horrible shite man- I couldn’t imagine that descent- horrific!
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:25 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Flew through a storm top and iced up. Those types of planes are notoriously bad in ice
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:27 pm to jcaz
Chilling to hear.
Once it nosedived, it was over. Only way that plane could have been saved is if Denzel Washington was the one flying it.
With how the plane pretty much vaporized once it hit the ground, I doubt they’ll be able to find substantial evidence to pinpoint what caused it to nosedive.
Once it nosedived, it was over. Only way that plane could have been saved is if Denzel Washington was the one flying it.
With how the plane pretty much vaporized once it hit the ground, I doubt they’ll be able to find substantial evidence to pinpoint what caused it to nosedive.
This post was edited on 11/1/26 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:28 pm to stout
quote:
Deicing systems are part of a plane's annual inspection
Annual inspection items have failed before
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:34 pm to Tyga Woods
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Annual inspection items have failed before
Yeah, fair, but if a pilot knows there is a potential ice situation, they have to check the deicing system before takeoff. Not just visually, but the functionality. It is legally mandatory
So if this crash was due to ice, then the question is did the pilot not fear ice could form prior to takeoff?
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:38 pm to stout
Just read 9 people onboard. Somewhat obviously no survivors.
That had been be a terrifying last few seconds.
That had been be a terrifying last few seconds.
This post was edited on 11/1/26 at 5:39 pm
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:39 pm to stout
It’s all speculation at this point anyway.
Looking at the crash site, not sure how much data, if any, will be recovered. We may never know what exactly caused it.
Looking at the crash site, not sure how much data, if any, will be recovered. We may never know what exactly caused it.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:43 pm to stout
quote:
So if this crash was due to ice, then the question is did the pilot not fear ice could form prior to takeoff?
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted and that’s fine, but my limited experience with private pilots is they wouldn’t have flown through that. I think that’s a no fly for a huge percentage of pilots.
And it’s not exactly like this was a pop up storm and no one knew yesterday. I haven’t looked at what the weather looks like tomorrow.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:43 pm to stout
quote:
So if this crash was due to ice, then the question is did the pilot not fear ice could form prior to takeoff?
There are still scenarios where ice can accumulate, even with de-icing equipment.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:44 pm to CHAZILLA
quote:
Flew through a storm top and iced up. Those types of planes are notoriously bad in ice
The speculation I've seen from some pilots on Twitter is either an iced wing/tail and/or a stall when they tried to climb, then possible loss of steering apparatus when they hit over speed.
Radar seems like they flew directly through the cell and got caught up in the updraft and downdraft.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:49 pm to The Pirate King
quote:
The speculation I've seen from some pilots on Twitter is either an iced wing/tail and/or a stall when they tried to climb, then possible loss of steering apparatus when they hit over speed.
Makes sense. If the coms were true without any missing breaks, she asks to climb and then extremely quickly they are in a 8,000 then 10,000 ft/ min decent.
So it certainly seems like something went catastrophically wrong right around when they attempted to climb.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:50 pm to The Pirate King
Whatever happened it happened quickly. You can hear her say in an alarmed voice descending 8-10k feet per minute then maybe 10 seconds later full panic 20k feet per minute.
Something caused the plane to start a nose dive almost instantly.
Something caused the plane to start a nose dive almost instantly.
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