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Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:56 pm to baldona
I’m intrigued with her transmission with regards to icing that they were “managing it”. Shortly after she requested a higher altitude block.
From the Lear 60 QRH:
Exit Icing Conditions Immediately: If the system cannot maintain adequate heating to clear or prevent ice, flight crews are instructed to change headings or request an immediate altitude block change to escape the moisture layer or find warmer air.
From the Lear 60 QRH:
Exit Icing Conditions Immediately: If the system cannot maintain adequate heating to clear or prevent ice, flight crews are instructed to change headings or request an immediate altitude block change to escape the moisture layer or find warmer air.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 5:58 pm to Swamp Frog x
compressibility. Understanding Compressibility
Definition: Compressibility refers to a condition where an aircraft experiences a loss of control due to high speeds in a dive.
Context: This phenomenon was particularly noted in certain aircraftwhere pilots struggled to maintain control as they entered high-speed dives.
I can't remember the term but watching ww2 videos pilots would say that in a dive something happens and the pilots have no control.
Lowering wheels or some other options can slow the plane and allow it to come back under control.
Having a stabilizer or some other plane malfunction changes things obviously.
It sounds like whatever it was it was fast and catastrophic.
God bless their souls.
Definition: Compressibility refers to a condition where an aircraft experiences a loss of control due to high speeds in a dive.
Context: This phenomenon was particularly noted in certain aircraftwhere pilots struggled to maintain control as they entered high-speed dives.
I can't remember the term but watching ww2 videos pilots would say that in a dive something happens and the pilots have no control.
Lowering wheels or some other options can slow the plane and allow it to come back under control.
Having a stabilizer or some other plane malfunction changes things obviously.
It sounds like whatever it was it was fast and catastrophic.
God bless their souls.
This post was edited on 11/1/26 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:02 pm to Bbobalou
quote:And more importantly, their souls!
God bless their soles.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:02 pm to Bbobalou
You can see where the wing hit the ground and left a mark
I am sure they will find some wreckage in the crater but I wonder how much of the plane just vaporised
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:04 pm to FnTigers
Corrected, driving doesn't help nor make me safe. I'll modify my habits.
This post was edited on 11/1/26 at 6:05 pm
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:04 pm to Bbobalou
When combining the radar and flight path, it looks like they were going around that small cell in front of them. For some reason they went north instead of south, skimmed along a large cluster of thunderstorms, and ended up going right through a thunderstorm that blew up in front of them near West Palm Beach. They had way more wiggle room to the south.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:04 pm to choupiquesushi
I’m so glad that the skilled OT aviators are on this case!!! Experts in action. Do any of you even slightly know what your are talking about??? This hasn’t stopped you before.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:04 pm to SoFla Tideroller
The ATC audio on this was horrific. Would recommend you avoid
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:06 pm to Mister Hoagie
I know right, they are talking about ice in Florida and it's not even winter.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:07 pm to The Boat
Also shows they left an hour later than planned. Hurry up factor at play here too.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:11 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:
What time did the crash happen?
1249 ET
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:13 pm to The Boat
Loading Twitter/X Embed...
If tweet fails to load, click here. If this is timed up correctly, the storm that got them blew up almost right over them.
This post was edited on 11/1/26 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:13 pm to Mister Hoagie
quote:
Mister Hoagie
I’m so glad that the skilled OT aviators are on this case!!! Experts in action. Do any of you even slightly know what your are talking about??? This hasn’t stopped you before.
Hi Capt. Steeeeeeeeeve. Big fan. Can't wait to see your vid on this one.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:14 pm to The Boat
quote:
They had way more wiggle room to the south.
Listening to the ATC and watching the FlightAware, I believe they had traffic fairly close to the south. Maybe that had something to do with not going south idk.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:16 pm to GEAUXT
quote:
Only blessing is that everyone on board was instantly gone
1:24 minutes going straight down isn’t quite instantly
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:18 pm to Bbobalou
quote:soles lives matter, too!!!
Corrected, driving doesn't help nor make me safe. I'll modify my habits.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:19 pm to Mister Completely
quote:
Listening to the ATC and watching the FlightAware, I believe they had traffic fairly close to the south. Maybe that had something to do with not going south idk.
That was late when they were in trouble. You can pretty much do whatever you want at FL410, but they descended from that in a very busy airspace.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:20 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:
Is anyone on here who is an aviation expert able to tell from the way it fell what the issue was?
Not an expert, but it looks cloudy from the photos. Spatial disorientation possibly.
Eta, didn’t notice this thread was already 10 pages in. I’m sure my theory has been discussed already.
This post was edited on 11/1/26 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 11/1/26 at 6:21 pm to homesicktiger
I work at the Plant. That means that I know a lot.
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