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Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:48 am to RogerTheShrubber
Actually the doctors have blood on their hands for following the protocols they knew were wrong and would lead to death. If they did as told and didn't treat the Covid when identified for their share of the $$$$$, then I hope they carry that on their conscious forever.
Treatment at onset would have saved most of the lives but half the doctors refused to do that. Instead they advised the new Covid positive case to go home and do nothing. Then if they couldn't breathe then go to the emergency room. Many countries were having success with medicines we have but they were more interested in Muh Trump wrong. Doing nothing until it's vent time isn't practicing medicine. We're not going to get out of this by being clean enough or distancing or of course that faulty vaccine. We have to learn how to treat it quickly and get over the virus. 3 HCQ and the correct dose of Ivermectin worked wonders for our family. It doesn't have to be a death sentence unless you follow the govt rules. They need those death numbers.
Treatment at onset would have saved most of the lives but half the doctors refused to do that. Instead they advised the new Covid positive case to go home and do nothing. Then if they couldn't breathe then go to the emergency room. Many countries were having success with medicines we have but they were more interested in Muh Trump wrong. Doing nothing until it's vent time isn't practicing medicine. We're not going to get out of this by being clean enough or distancing or of course that faulty vaccine. We have to learn how to treat it quickly and get over the virus. 3 HCQ and the correct dose of Ivermectin worked wonders for our family. It doesn't have to be a death sentence unless you follow the govt rules. They need those death numbers.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:49 am to moneyg
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He would know what the prevalence of OMICRON was over time in his area and when the COVID infection took place.
Our area is almost all Omicron and has been for the last month or so. No one sequences every last sample. Given the rate of patients who have been reinfected, we are probably safe in our assumption that it is Omicron.
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If the person was on a vent for a month, probably not OMICRON. If the person got sick last week, probably OMICRON.
You seem awfully sure of yourself here. What about muh comorbidities???
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:49 am to lsupride87
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lsupride87
I don't care at all when you push back on the mob but your data analysis is derived from a "before and after" analysis and would caution you are more than likely identifying a spurious relationship for a majority of the people vaccinated.
I.E. if I were vaccinated you could claim that it reduced my risk of hospitalization however I'm 31 with a 23 BMI and no pre-existing conditions besides allergy induced asthma. I was never at risk of hospitalization in the first place.
Now you're a smart guy so you could be factoring this into your analysis but citing "hospital data" doesn't lead me to believe that.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
the term "breakthrough" is a bit presumptuous when the expectation is infection after full vaccination.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:57 am to stout
Maybe daily vaccinations at 10-2-4 says Dr Pepper <- He's a doctor damnit!
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:58 am to crazy4lsu
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I didn't evade anything. You just don't seem to understand the references. Would these people who presented with coagulopathies have died outside of Omicron or COVID? COVID creates hypercoagulable states, which creates thrombosis when combined with prior endothelial injury (which is exceedingly common) and venous stasis.
Again, people who barely understand pathology making this 'with-Covid/'from-Covid' distinction don't seem to understand that systemic infection causes systemic sequalae. We don't partition pathophysiologies like this for any other cause. Why is this distinction meaningful for COVID alone?
That's the entire conversation. Are these people with extreme comorbidities? Are these people with a history of heart disease or pulmonary disease?
Are these people that as far as you can tell don't have any of that?
How many?
You are lost in the weeds. I think this is what Roger was referencing. You seem to struggle having higher level conversations.
Let's approach it from the opposite direction. How many deaths have you seen due to OMICRON without a single (or in your opinion single significant) comorbidity?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 11:59 am to Vacherie Saint
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the term "breakthrough" is a bit presumptuous when the expectation is infection after full vaccination.
At this point, its disingenuous. There is nothing rare about the vaccinated getting Covid, or transmitting it.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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Our area is almost all Omicron and has been for the last month or so. No one sequences every last sample. Given the rate of patients who have been reinfected, we are probably safe in our assumption that it is Omicron.
Good, that simplifies things.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:02 pm to moneyg
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Are these people with extreme comorbidities? Are these people with a history of heart disease or pulmonary disease?
Those people are embracing freedom.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:03 pm to Ingeniero
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Those people are embracing freedom.
How dare they.
We need to save them from themselves.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:03 pm to stout
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Newsflash: The vaccine hasn't really worked ever since the first dose and wave. Can you prove it did other than anecdotal evidence that some people got less sick which was already a thing even without the vaccine?
The vaccines have been wildly successful at curbing hospitalizations and deaths. They have been disappointing at slowing the infection rate. This is not based on anecdotal evidence; it’s based on lots of peer reviewed scientific studies using an overwhelming amount of data.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:04 pm to Penrod
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The vaccines have been wildly successful at curbing hospitalizations and deaths.
We already covered why this narrative is in doubt
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:04 pm to Ingeniero
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Those people are embracing freedom.
Nah, Covidians who are terrified are the ones who have something to fear.
The rest of us understand how to keep ourselves safe. The Covidians are probably 50% heavier than normal people.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:04 pm to lsupride87
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Hospitals being 90 plus percent unvaxxed across the country is “ancedotal evidence”? Even currently with waning immunity it’s 75% plus unvaxxed. Those numbers are so high when you consider the most vaxxed population is the most vulnerable one
60% downvotes for this statement that is 100% spot on.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:06 pm to Penrod
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The vaccines have been wildly successful at curbing hospitalizations and deaths. They have been disappointing at slowing the infection rate. This is not based on anecdotal evidence; it’s based on lots of peer reviewed scientific studies using an overwhelming amount of data.
I think this was true for Alpha and Delta.
I think using that to make assumptions about Omicron is intentionally distorting facts.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nah, Covidians who are terrified are the ones who have something to fear.
The rest of us understand how to keep ourselves safe. The Covidians are probably 50% heavier than normal people.
You're just babbling
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:07 pm to Penrod
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The vaccines have been wildly successful at curbing hospitalizations and deaths. They have been disappointing at slowing the infection rate
Sounds like there is absolutely no need for mask mandates or business shutdowns. Or vaccines if you're young and healthy.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:08 pm to stout
God dammit we're on a shitty timeline.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:09 pm to stout
So in theory, if my body is 100% vaccine. I can't have Covid. Good news to know.
I have had two vaccines and a booster. I'm done. If it kills me, man couldn't stop it. I'm not taking anything else.
I have had two vaccines and a booster. I'm done. If it kills me, man couldn't stop it. I'm not taking anything else.
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