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re: Pfizer CEO: “Two doses of the vaccine offers very limited protection, if any

Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:57 pm to
Posted by Ripley
Member since Aug 2016
4589 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 12:57 pm to

So I’m reading the covidian arguments in this thread.

Have yet to see them address “the science” of a very targeted and unique chemical formula (the vaccine) being used to kill off a very unique virus via a very specific dosage.

But this vaccine doesn’t work against this new variant (understandable) UNLESS you take a higher dose of the vaccine (not understandable).

This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:00 pm
Posted by USMCguy121
Northshore
Member since Aug 2021
6332 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:05 pm to
Swedish study you can lookup right now says the vaccine doesnt work after 6 months.

MRNA requires perpetual boosters.

And a more recent study in breakthrough infections, demonstrating no difference between viral counts in either vaccinated or unvaccinated individuals.


Garbage """vaccines""" but good if you're trying to make money.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:05 pm to
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Wow. Multiple deaths of young women in good health due to Omicron. That's news I hadn't heard.



The youngest was 35ish. But the coagulopathy aspect of COVID hasn't really been discussed at all.

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So, you are taking the stance that you can't tell the difference between someone who dies due to COVID vs. someone who dies with COVID.





No, I'm saying that delineation is not clear clinically because COVID is a systemic infection. Obviously there were cases like car accidents being labeled as COVID deaths, but in actual practice, it would be insanely difficult to make that distinction in clinically meaningful terms. I mean, I don't even know what it means in actual practice. And again, we don't do that with any other cause of death.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
23040 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:07 pm to
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None are mandated


Has nothing to do with efficacy. A total non sequitur.

I'll ask you this: were covid vaccines proven to reduce transmission of Alpha, Delta, Mu variants?
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3250 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:09 pm to
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They were too busy playing politics and getting that sweet govt cheese to worry about actually trying to take care of the symptoms.


You think MDs and RNs got the govt cheese?

Your lack of understanding of the machine that is healthcare is astounding. Blame your politicians and govt entities. Not the ones stuck dealing with the fallout.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
47671 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:25 pm to
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With what? Educating people who barely have any grasp of the history of infectious disease


Yep, good luck having them take a second to think about it rationally as opposed to the lens of "how does this appear to affect my narrative".

ETA: Look at Rogers response.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:26 pm
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53474 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:25 pm to


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What's the difference between the first two doses and the booster?


Absolutely nothing. Just like there are zero plans to roll out revised vaccines for the new variants. Getting approvals costs money.
Cuts into profit margin when we can just push more of the same.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1933 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:27 pm to
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Again, people who barely understand pathology making this 'with-Covid/'from-Covid' distinction don't seem to understand that systemic infection causes systemic sequalae. We don't partition pathophysiologies like this for any other cause. Why is this distinction meaningful for COVID alone?


It matters because we are testing so many asymptomatic people who are sick with something else altogether, and the Covid they are carrying isn't actually doing anything to them. I guess I think of it like chickenpox or HPV. These viruses can technically be in your body for years and cause zero "symptoms" of illness.

So, if a person is admitted to the hospital while having a cardiac episode and happens to test positive for Covid because of routine screening, I would think this absolutely matters.

I think the number of asymptomatic people carrying Covid is vastly underestimated, which would make this a much less problematic illness.
Posted by Leauxgan
Brooklyn
Member since Nov 2005
17324 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:29 pm to
JEWISH PU SSY GOT ME ACTIN' UNWISE

edit: my bad, wrong thread
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:30 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:30 pm to
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Absolutely nothing. Just like there are zero plans to roll out revised vaccines for the new variants. Getting approvals costs money.
Cuts into profit margin when we can just push more of the same.


The whole vaccine patent thing really undermines the seriousness of infection. The one advantage of the mRNA program was the sensitivity with which you could design boosters, which appears also to be a non-starter for these companies.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:31 pm to
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Yep, good luck having them take a second to think about it rationally


Rational thinkers don't accept shitty politicians orders without questioning.

I'm vaccinated, and was sold a bill that isn't factual.

Irrationality would be ignoring that.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:32 pm to
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I think the number of asymptomatic people carrying Covid is vastly underestimated


Easily.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1933 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:36 pm to
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I'm vaccinated, and was sold a bill that isn't factual.


Same situation here. Just trying to approach this situation logically and being "guided" by the most emotional people on the planet. It's frustrating.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:38 pm to
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So, if a person is admitted to the hospital while having a cardiac episode and happens to test positive for Covid because of routine screening, I would think this absolutely matters.



Yeah it absolutely matters. Think about why.

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I think the number of asymptomatic people carrying Covid is vastly underestimated, which would make this a much less problematic illness.



I don't think it is underestimated. I think people want it to be underestimated, but I've seen no evidence for that.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:38 pm to
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Same situation here. Just trying to approach this situation logically and being "guided" by the most emotional people on the planet. It's frustrating.


That's what happens when "public safety" becomes the emotional appeal. The desire for corruption to foster is too great.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:39 pm to
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I think people want it to be underestimated, but I've seen no evidence for that.


That's generally the case when things are underestimated and not treated.

People with no symptoms have no reason to be tested.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:41 pm to
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That's generally the case when things are underestimated and not treated.

People with no symptoms have no reason to be tested.


If only there were some other way of confirming a previous infection.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:50 pm to
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If only there were some other way of confirming a previous infection.
Why would people who are asymptomatic be tested?

This is that common sense thing so many people don't have.

This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 1:52 pm
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:54 pm to
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Why would people who are asymptomatic be tested?

This is that common sense thing so many people don't have.


You appear to not understand to what I'm referring to, again, which appears to be a pattern.
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1933 posts
Posted on 1/11/22 at 1:54 pm to
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If only there were some other way of confirming a previous infection.


Yes, but people who aren't being tested in the first place surely aren't also going to randomly get tested for antibodies.

Is there a good study where someone is tracking this?
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