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Posted on 8/6/21 at 10:36 pm to Trevaylin
Logging data is more art than science. A good employee can stick his finger into the air and tell you what the correct reading is. I'm not going to question his data.
That said, if you look me in the eye and tell me the hydrogen sulfide number is under the limit and the plant smells like the devil's own a-hole, I'm going to fire you.
That said, if you look me in the eye and tell me the hydrogen sulfide number is under the limit and the plant smells like the devil's own a-hole, I'm going to fire you.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 10:39 pm to Navajo61490
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How else are you supposed to win the charity scramble
This. How else do you become a scratch golfer, but still have time to hunt, fish, watch games?
Can't believe how many people don't know the term "pencil whipped" and yes it is a valid reason for immediate termination. The problem is figuring out who started it when it's done across the board.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 11:02 pm to Trevaylin
Labworks automates the composition breakdown of your grabs/samples/pots and connects to the GC.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:29 am to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I fired several folks for pencil whipping at my last job. Do your job or GTFO. Won't abide laziness.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 12:41 am to Trevaylin
We have people that do it and bosses know they do. Their reading sheets will be blank all week then at the end of their shift its all filled out. They must have a great memory to remember a weeks worth of readings.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 1:38 am to Trevaylin
It depends on your race, gender, and sexual orientation. HR will determine the next course of action dependent on these three elements.
If you are white male….. you’re screwed.
If you are white male….. you’re screwed.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 1:49 am to Trevaylin
WIFI enabled IntelaTrac it the way to go baw
Posted on 8/7/21 at 1:54 am to Sack531
Ops hates intelatrac. It takes a human and turns them into a robot. I can see the benefit, but also the negative in removing focus from potential issues in the fast brain to: "gotta scan my bar code for the lubrimist".
Also, I've only seen two operators get shite canned for pencil whipping. One almost killed three people in a forced draft fin fan he didn't lock out, and another didn't do his rounds for the third time. He got hired at lyondell after he got fired and proceeded to blow up a superheater and almost kill himself, another, and cause a 9 month shutdown.
Also, I've only seen two operators get shite canned for pencil whipping. One almost killed three people in a forced draft fin fan he didn't lock out, and another didn't do his rounds for the third time. He got hired at lyondell after he got fired and proceeded to blow up a superheater and almost kill himself, another, and cause a 9 month shutdown.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 2:09 am to Simplemaaan
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I caught a guy pencilling in readings as his supv.
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All they did was move him off my shift. He’s now a supervisor
well it seems like his way of doing things is much more successful in the eyes of your supervisor then yours.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 2:29 am to keakar
We had an operator that pencil whipped his round sheet and then xeroxed several copies to use on sibsequent shifts. Canned his lazy arse.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 3:43 am to TexasHand
Funny how you can read a reply on the OT and realize who the person is..
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:46 am to Trevaylin
Yes. It's a character issue. They would be gone.
EDIT: They fired themselves.
EDIT: They fired themselves.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 6:48 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 6:55 am to Trevaylin
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40 years ago catching a problem operator pencil whipping logs and laboratory analysis was a doable termination because the data was critical to safe operation of the plant. Still done today???
You mean getting paid to do a job, and then not doing it? Yeah, prolly.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:20 am to TexasHand
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Absolutely not, i’m a console operator at a large oil refinery where rounds and samples are routinely pencil whipped. Now, it’s less often in relation to product specs but things like caustic utilization, pump status, steam conductivity are routinely boiler housed. In my experience, at my place of employment, you have to try to get fired and they have to build a case against you that could last months or even years of issues.
My plant is more like this too. It’d have to be particularly egregious—like pencil whipping air monitoring readings that get someone killed.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:25 am to Trevaylin
we lost one a few years ago for pencil whipping. The pencil whip glossed over a valve that should've been closed and resulted in a spill. Operator lied about the rounds and thats why he got fired.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:33 am to Trevaylin
There was a lot of pencil whipping going on at Texas city by all levels of the organization.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:36 am to dyslexiateechur
Depends on the plant… my old plant absolutely. A lot of it was field gauges and manual operation. An honest round was necessary for product spec. At my new plant everything is run from the console basically. A field round is just for triple or quadruple verification against in house indicators. I could care less if those could pencil whipped, I care more about when it’s nut cutting time and they can do something quickly and safely.
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:37 am to Trevaylin
In Golf it means that other player whipped you because he wrote lower scores on the card than he obtained. Golf uses that short pencil.
I think plant workers may have borrowed the term, but it’s not as relevant.
I think plant workers may have borrowed the term, but it’s not as relevant.
This post was edited on 8/7/21 at 7:39 am
Posted on 8/7/21 at 7:41 am to SmackoverHawg
Who hasn't heard of "pencil whipping" data or calibration checks for ISO audits, etc?
And yes, it's wrong.
At work and golf scrambles.
And yes, it's wrong.
At work and golf scrambles.
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