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re: Patients taking Eli Lilly's retatrutide lost 58 pounds, on average, in a phase 2 clinical
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:35 am to wallowinit
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:35 am to wallowinit
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I don’t know why people are down voting you for this
Because there are a bunch of low T fatties on here that are too lazy for proper exercise and diet and want to use a 'magic pill' or injection to get what they want. Look at all the fast food threads on here people are addicted. Everyone I have seen who has lost weight on Mounjaro or Ozempic looks like absolute shite. They have no muscle they look skinny fat. There is a guy at my gym who has lost 45 pounds on Mounjaro. He looks like crap. Looks like a saggy bag of shite.
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Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:38 am to Eurocat
A lot of women around here are losing significant weight by getting “the shot.” Is this what they’re getting?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:39 am to ronricks
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Looks like a saggy bag of shite
why do you think this is? could it be he stretched his skin out to the point that it no longer has its elasticity?
could it be he doesn't prioritize protein and doesn't lift progressively?
you should know principally i agree with you but reality is a bitch and obviously just screaming eat less, eat more protein and exercise is not working.
in the end I would much rather see a bunch of skinny fat people walking around with saggy tits than a bunch of fat fricks taking up 2 seats on an airplane and saggy tits.
also in the long run this helps our medical system and hopefully insurance cost.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:55 am to lsu777
Are there any subcutaneous vs visceral fat loss stats?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:01 am to lsu777
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why do you think this is?
Because I have eyeballs
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could it be he stretched his skin out to the point that it no longer has its elasticity?
He wasn't that obese to begin with. Fat but not morbidly obese. It looks awful.
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could it be he doesn't prioritize protein and doesn't lift progressively?
He's probably eating 1800 'calories' of carbs and sugars
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you should know principally i agree with you but reality is a bitch and obviously just screaming eat less, eat more protein and exercise is not working.
We both know exercise isn't rocket science. You don't even have to go to a gym. You can walk 30 mins a day 5 to 6 days a week eating 2 Subway sandwiches full of processed meats and cheese and lose weight. People make this too hard by being lazy or just wanting to try the newest 'fad'.
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in the end I would much rather see a bunch of skinny fat people walking around with saggy tits than a bunch of fat fricks taking up 2 seats on an airplane and saggy tits.
These people would look (and feel) much better if they just had some/any semblance of self control and a regimented diet and exercise program. Doesn't have to be exotic or fancy.
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also in the long run this helps our medical system and hopefully insurance cost.
Two biggest burdens on American Healthcare system are the Obese/Diabetics and Illegal Immigrants who use Hospitals or Hospital Emergency Rooms as their Primary Care Doctor(s). I agree we need less fatties but I don't think the answer is a bunch of wonder drugs that when you stop using them will revert back to what you were. Who knows how 'healthy' or 'safe' these are long term. Its no different than the guy that pounds anabolics/hGH/peptides for years and then stops. He will lose most (not all) the gains and be left with a t axis that is completely out of whack an endocrine system that is out of whack and 'muscles' that have atrophied and look silly. I'm all for people bettering themselves but these things are going to wreck a lot of people once they stop. Its not sustainable.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:01 am to Eurocat
Imagine if there was a shot to take to immediately end drug addiction like meth or fentanyl, etc. Would we come on here telling the addicts to just use willpower and lay off the drugs?
I stopped smoking one day years ago by not lighting one up ever again. Yet I’ve got friends who still to this day can’t put them down.
It’s almost like people just want to bitch about fatties for the sake of bitching about fatties since any other group they bitch about is taboo.
I stopped smoking one day years ago by not lighting one up ever again. Yet I’ve got friends who still to this day can’t put them down.
It’s almost like people just want to bitch about fatties for the sake of bitching about fatties since any other group they bitch about is taboo.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:06 am to schwartzy
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pill can’t be the solution for everything. People need to count their excess sugars, carbs, and avoid the high fructose corn syrup that’s in everything. Diets need to be a lifestyle and not just a 3 month bender, or else the person will just gain all the weight back. Starvation isn’t the way. It also slows down metabolism.
You’re correct but I could see the benefits of using this initially to drop weight and try to change eating habits. A lot of really obese people have a hard time dieting because they’ve trained their body to eat so much and feel hungry when they diet. Suppressing the appetite here would help overcome that hurdle. Also could help confidence to see fast results which could lead to motivation to go to the gym. A lot of people lose motivation after working out for a few weeks and seeing little change because it takes so long to see results
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:09 am to Eurocat
You can literally do the same thing to your glucagon/insulin release by what and when you eat., but, there are people who have fouled their selves up hormonally.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:09 am to lsu777
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If you try and maintain the same diet that got you fat in the first place...the medicine will punish you.
I take similar med for diabetes. If I tailgate or participate in any sort of all day drink/snack event I have to moderate how much I consume. If I don’t I’ll be up in the middle of the night puking and shitting, I’d imagine for some people their normal meal size would activate a similar response.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:12 am to Waterboy1972
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It’s almost like people just want to bitch about fatties for the sake of bitching about fatties since any other group they bitch about is taboo.
No. The problem in America is we have 'normalized' Obesity to the point where you can't dare criticize them or you get ridiculous push back. Don't believe me? Just read this thread. Being fat is NOT normal. Being on a ton of prescription medications so you can continue to eat like a pig and be lazy and stay alive is NOT normal. Until we acknowledge this nothing is going to change. Our healthcare system in this country is an absolute mess due to Obesity and it is just getting worse. Putting a bunch of fatties on wonder drugs who will just revert to being fatties with lord knows how many health complications when they get off isn't the answer. Our government is to blame for much of this because they won't ban harmful chemicals/additives to food here like other counties do. That is a whole separate topic though.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:13 am to Coeur du Tigre
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it seems that these meds cause loss of muscle mass in equal proportions to fat. No bueno
That’s because the fatties aren’t lifting bro. If they would lift while on these drugs they wouldn’t loose muscle mass.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:16 am to Eurocat
Does this cause zombie o-face?
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:17 am to ABearsFanNMS
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That’s because the fatties aren’t lifting bro. If they would lift while on these drugs they wouldn’t loose muscle mass.
Its not just not lifting. You have to eat Protein as well. You can lose weight eating 1800 cals of Carbs and sugar a day but you cannot and won't build or even maintain muscle without Protein. I'd add fats in there as well but that will bring out the pitchforks with people who think you must have carbs to be able to live and breathe.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:20 am to Eurocat
In before Louisiana bans it
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:24 am to ronricks
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He wasn't that obese to begin with. Fat but not morbidly obese. It looks awful.
sounds like he was high bf% and didnt have much muscle to begin with
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He's probably eating 1800 'calories' of carbs and sugars
exactly prolly way less than 1800 though. prolly 1200. they actually have lots of doctors that prescribe to 1200 calories and most never mention protein.
the ones prescribing the shot just suggest exercise, no mention of what, in what dose etc. they never refer to a strength coach but know dog shite themselves
same with diet..they suggest caloric deficit. no guidance etc and never a referral to a RD or nutrition coach despite teh MD not knowing shite themselves
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We both know exercise isn't rocket science. You don't even have to go to a gym. You can walk 30 mins a day 5 to 6 days a week eating 2 Subway sandwiches full of processed meats and cheese and lose weight. People make this too hard by being lazy or just wanting to try the newest 'fad'.
oh i agree. simple 2x per week lifting and getting 10k steps in is going to be plenty for 90% of people
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These people would look (and feel) much better if they just had some/any semblance of self control and a regimented diet and exercise program. Doesn't have to be exotic or fancy.
i agree and the medicine does do that. makes them quit having the "food noise" that so many claim to have
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Two biggest burdens on American Healthcare system are the Obese/Diabetics and Illegal Immigrants who use Hospitals or Hospital Emergency Rooms as their Primary Care Doctor(s). I agree we need less fatties but I don't think the answer is a bunch of wonder drugs that when you stop using them will revert back to what you were.
agree but these are drugs most essentially are going to take for life. very similar to trt. They just reduce the dosage over time.
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Who knows how 'healthy' or 'safe' these are long term.
we have lots of data actually. GLP-1 is not some new drug. been around for like 7-8 years now and we know the modes of operation and pretty much all the side effects as the research community has been studying GLP and its antagonist for over a decade now
its just new for fatloss
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Its no different than the guy that pounds anabolics/hGH/peptides for years and then stops. He will lose most (not all) the gains and be left with a t axis that is completely out of whack an endocrine system that is out of whack and 'muscles' that have atrophied and look silly
agreed but you dont get off of this. its more akin to getting TRT and GH prescribed....titrating up the dose along with lifting until you get the look you like, then slowly lowering to maintenance dose.
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I'm all for people bettering themselves but these things are going to wreck a lot of people once they stop. Its not sustainable.
thats what you dont understand and many dont. many times these are lifetime drugs but even if not, this isnt the endocrine system with rebounds and shut downs etc
you can come off these drugs and maintain the weight but that is only for people that use the new shrunken stomach as a jump start for a healthier life. similar to the surgeries.
many will bounce back if they get off because they didnt learn good habits. thats why i say its a lifetime drug.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:24 am to Sticky37
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Calories in < calories out
Eat less, exercise more. For the mouth breathers.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:28 am to Eurocat
Meth will do the same
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:28 am to ronricks
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No. The problem in America is we have 'normalized' Obesity to the point where you can't dare criticize them or you get ridiculous push back. Don't believe me? Just read this thread. Being fat is NOT normal. Being on a ton of prescription medications so you can continue to eat like a pig and be lazy and stay alive is NOT normal. Until we acknowledge this nothing is going to change. Our healthcare system in this country is an absolute mess due to Obesity and it is just getting worse. Putting a bunch of fatties on wonder drugs who will just revert to being fatties with lord knows how many health complications when they get off isn't the answer. Our government is to blame for much of this because they won't ban harmful chemicals/additives to food here like other counties do. That is a whole separate topic though.
actually agree with this 1000000000% but that isnt changing. cant shame people anymore. its stupid but that is just reality.
used to be Bullying was someone putting their hands on you
now teasing is considered bullying
unfortunately its the soft arse world we live in.
Me i still subscribe to CT fletchers theory on diet compliance
NSFW language
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:31 am to HeadSlash
F big pharma except whoever makes my generic low dose Cialis I take every morning.
Any middle aged dudes need to look into fyi. 2.5-5mg a day for BPH, helps with preventing prostate cancer and also in the bedroom. Huberman is big on it.
Any middle aged dudes need to look into fyi. 2.5-5mg a day for BPH, helps with preventing prostate cancer and also in the bedroom. Huberman is big on it.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:32 am to The Torch
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Meth will do the same
fricks up your teeth
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