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re: OTD in 1865, Gen. Lee gave his sword to Gen. Grant
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:56 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:56 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Lee, Jackson, Beauregard, Forrest, Stuart, Longstreet, A.P. Hill, Bragg, etc.
All better than any Northern commander
Yeah, nobody that knows military history really believes that. Not even close.
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Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:56 pm to PhilipMarlowe
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My yankee ancestors sending southern terrorists to hell at the end of their bayonets, while they whimpered one last weak rebel cry...
From the Rebel Yell to the Rebel yelp
Posted on 4/9/18 at 1:58 pm to The Boat
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That was what kicked off a war that could not be won
The colonies started a war against Great Britain that couldn’t be won either, right?
All the South had to do was hold out until the North lost their appetite for war.
The South could have achieved that goal if they went to guerrilla fighting but Lee was too much of an honorable man and felt that was a pussy move and wanted to fight the North straight up.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:01 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
Muh statues
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:02 pm to The Boat
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The colonies started a war against Great Britain that couldn’t be won either, right?
The South didn't have Washington. Or Grant.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:02 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
I read somewhere that Grant was shaking in his boots when Lee walked in. Regardless of which side he was on, he knew he was in the presence of greatness, both in character and skill as a General. Lee had unquestionably great character, and was the Union's first choice to lead them but he had to turn them down so as not to draw his sword against his own state. Back then state allegiance came before country.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:03 pm to The Boat
Lee pussed out and took a payoff. Pretty shitty that he sold out the freedom of the southern people for a few sacks of silver
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:10 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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The south wasn’t out to conquer the north.
Yes I agree but that was a strategic mistake. My Point was the south had opportunities to put this away early and did not seize those opportunities.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:12 pm to Sayre
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The South fired the first shots. You really need to study up some.
No shite the south fired the first shots. They felt they had to because Lincoln, unconstitutionally at the time, wouldn’t allow them to leave the union.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:14 pm to Dire Wolf
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Dire Wolf
I meant in American military history. Obviously Genghis Khan is the GOAT cavalryman. Although, Alexander the Great was pretty damn stout, as well.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:15 pm to meeple
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I read somewhere that Grant was shaking in his boots when Lee walked in. Regardless of which side he was on, he knew he was in the presence of greatness, both in character and skill as a General.
Holy shite, how does this bullshite get into the popular conciousness. Grant was more than familiar with Lee from the Mexican war. Just as he was with many of the southern commanders.
Grant wasn't the kind of man to shake in his boots. Far from it. And he wasn't anywhere near close to being in awe of Lee.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:16 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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No shite the south fired the first shots. They felt they had to because Lincoln, unconstitutionally at the time, wouldn’t allow them to leave the union.
What a bunch of lost cause revisionist bullshite.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:16 pm to el Gaucho
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el Gaucho
You know you absolutely suck at trolling when nobody replies to you or doesn’t even bother to downvote you.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:18 pm to magildachunks
Are you trying to say that Lincoln allowed them to leave and the south just decided to fire in Sumter?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:21 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Are you trying to say that Lincoln allowed them to leave and the south just decided to fire in Sumter?
I'm saying you need to learn real history and not lost cause.
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Union attempts to resupply and reinforce the garrison were repulsed on January 9, 1861 when the first shots of the war, fired by cadets from the Citadel, prevented the steamer Star of the West, hired to transport troops and supplies to Fort Sumter, from completing the task.
Lincoln wasn't in office when the Confederates fired the first shots.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:28 pm to magildachunks
Ok, so had the issue been brought to a vote in Congress, or been negotiated at all, you think that there would’ve been any favorable outcome for what the south wanted?
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:38 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Ok, so had the issue been brought to a vote in Congress, or been negotiated at all, you think that there would’ve been any favorable outcome for what the south wanted?
Wouldn't matter.
South already showed they didn't care about votes or democratic process during the election.
They seceded because the vote didn't go their way.
Like spoiled brats taking their ball and going home.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:43 pm to The Boat
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All the South had to do was hold out until the North lost their appetite for war.
The South could have achieved that goal if they went to guerrilla fighting but Lee was too much of an honorable man and felt that was a pussy move and wanted to fight the North straight up.
Whatever...... the truth is that Grant had Lee very much in check after he took Richmond and by the time he reached Appomattox Lee was out numbered about 5 to 1 Surrounded essentially. If Lee had continued, it would have been a wipeout
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The colonies started a war against Great Britain that couldn’t be won either, right?
If not for Saratoga, yes. Washington was not as good a commander in the field as we would like to think. Gates was a better commander in battle. The British overall had to bring their soldiers from Europe and to a lesser extent from Canada to fight. Logistically, the fact that the British held out for a long as they did says something about their resolve in the matter.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 2:55 pm to TigerFanInSouthland
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Because the southern leadership was immensely better than the union’s, especially at the outset.
You should qualify that to indicate wartime military leadership. The civilian leadership was no better and probably much worse than the northern leadership, in my opinion. Slightly different posturing by the south immediately post secession may have lead to a different outcome.
The sentiment for war in the north was not close to overwhelmingly in favor of a military solution but Beauregard’s I’ll advised (in my opinion) firing on Fort Sumpter ended any chance of a peaceful solution.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 3:21 pm to mdomingue
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Fort Sumpter
This pains me to see as a South Carolinian.
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