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re: Oakland warehouse fire site was a hippie/artist collective "The Ghost Ship"

Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by UF
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:48 pm to
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If you have tech money, it has by far the best quality of life in the country.


umm no

Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:48 pm to
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supatigah

lunch Friday Baw ?
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:48 pm to
I guess the point I'm making is that the tech industry is not relegated to Silicon Valley. It's also the main industry of SF as well.
Posted by Pax Regis
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:51 pm to
Losers making poor choices always blame someone else when yet another poor choice causes another loss for them. Nothing new here.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:51 pm to
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SlowFlowPro


Exactly. It's both.

They're a group of people who don't want to do the 9-5 thing but yet want all the advantages of that routine.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:56 pm to
I am sure there are some right out of college giving it a try but lets just say living that counter culture lifestyle 50 miles from work doesn't lend itself to 60-80 hour work weeks in the Tech Industry

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:58 pm to
the thing is the tech industry has priced out artists in SF (the most expensive city in the US now)

so Oakland is the "new SF", and Oakland is facing the same housing issues b/c of the tech industry

it's cultural gentrification of artists in a city that prides itself on artists. Austin is having similar issues
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:58 pm to
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I guess the point I'm making is that the tech industry is not relegated to Silicon Valley. It's also the main industry of SF as well.


I realize that
Posted by Mootsman
Charlotte, NC
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:59 pm to
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And then there's the fact that my kids' elementary school (Beverly Cleary, one of the highest rated in Portland), which has maybe 10 black students, 5 Asian students and, as far as I can tell, NO Hispanic students


Oh the horror
Posted by Nature Boy
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:04 pm to
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no one is asking the larger question of why these artists are forced to work and make a living in these specific circumstances.


So because someone chooses only to be an artist and not fund their hobby through regular employment, everyone should feel guilty? I guess the implication is that the government should pay artists so they can follow their passion and drink Starbucks all day while smoking subsidized weed?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:06 pm to
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I guess the implication is that the government should pay artists

i think it's more that the government isn't doing anything to combat gentrification

and

they don't want to live in areas of section 8, where the government does combat gentrification
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:08 pm to
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it's cultural gentrification of artists in a city that prides itself on artists. Austin is having similar issues



Then they should do something bold and creative like moving to Stockton and turning it into a cultural utopia.

I mean, these people love living in dog shite conditions, I think we can find some suitable locations.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:08 pm to
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i think it's more that the government isn't doing anything to combat gentrification


combat it? Blasphemy! Hell man I would run for office using government support for gentrification as my primary platform.

free market rules clean out the trash and beautify old neighborhoods
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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481186 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:12 pm to
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free market rules clean out the trash and beautify old neighborhoods

whitewash
cultural monotony
displacing minorities

those will be your typical responses
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
15377 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:14 pm to
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the thing is the tech industry has priced out artists in SF (the most expensive city in the US now)


You would think some of those social justice warrior socialists up in Palo Alto would pool a few million $$$ and provide some affordable housing for their loser artist friends so they are not killed in warehouse fires. But alas I suspect they want HUD (all of us) to pay for it.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 2:17 pm
Posted by Mootsman
Charlotte, NC
Member since Oct 2012
6227 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:16 pm to
Are these bleeding heart assholes too good for section 8? I wonder why they wouldn't want to live there? Seems very racist of them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:21 pm to
i do there think are neo-patronages out there
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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481186 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:21 pm to
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Are these bleeding heart assholes too good for section 8?

yes
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:23 pm to
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no one is asking the larger question of why these artists are forced to work and make a living in these specific circumstances.


actually the manager answers that question quite well

quote:

a home to artists who "can't pay your rent because your dream is bigger than your pocketbook," Derick Ion Almena, the manager of the warehouse
Posted by Tiger in NY
Neptune Beach, FL
Member since Sep 2003
31666 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 2:26 pm to
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yet the artsy types still want to remain?


They are cool with the Silicon Valley people because they wear hoodies and colorful socks instead of suits. Spend 10 minutes around these west coast hippies, and you quickly realize that what they really care about most is image, not some utopian dreams of saving the world. The Silicon Valley people, despite their greed, appear to care about things and thus, the dirty freeloaders think they are some new age type of corporate leaders.
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