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Oakland warehouse fire site was a hippie/artist collective "The Ghost Ship"

Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:04 pm
What is the Ghost Ship?



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He became friends with Satya Yuga's eccentric impressario, Almena, and his wife, Micah Allison. Veilleux said he talked a bit with Almena and Allison about safety concerns there, but "I didn't get a clear idea if they understood that." Veilleux said Almena and Allison lived at the warehouse "partially" but were looking for a permanent home nearby for the entire family.


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Almena said the art collective covered the $5,000 a month rent for the warehouse and made repairs to its electrical system without permits after the landlord refused.


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The building's safety concerns, according to some residents and regulars, seemed to get subsumed by the collective's broader mission to celebrate art — often in the form of big parties featuring bands from California's underground electronic music scene.

"It was a beautiful, amazing, creative space that was our chosen home," said resident Nikki Kelber, who escaped the fire.


and a link posted by a...free spirit friend of mine on FB

Housing crisis, not ravers, responsible for fire

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In between the need for locals to alert loved ones about their safety, health and well-being in light of what’s happened, there is a growing mainstream narrative that looks to pin the blame for this tragedy on the culture of the artists who inhabit the building.

Outlets such as CNN and DailyNews are making it a point to emphasize that residents were living in this warehouse illegally and making commercial use of it without a permit.

While mainstream media is intent on painting a portrait of irresponsible artists/ravers who should’ve never opted to reside inside the warehouse in the first place, no one is asking the larger question of why these artists are forced to work and make a living in these specific circumstances.


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In a curious fashion, mainstream reporters have queried aloud in their coverage about why the tenants of these warehouses do not seek permits that would allow them to legally stay in these buildings and hire the necessary services that would get the interior structures up to code. Looking closely at the problem, the answer is pretty simple: they can’t afford it. And while the responsibility of staying up to code rested upon Ghost Ship’s owner Derick Ion, the artists living and working in the space had little to no choice but to choose between stable housing and their own safety.


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Members of other warehouse-based art collectives said the Ghost Ship stood out in a community where most living quarters had amenities that could be considered normal for urban residences, and are safe and well-managed.

"Many of the people that live in these spaces are concerned about a crackdown from the city because of this one incident," said Darin Marshall, who lives in a warehouse nearby.



Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:08 pm to
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While mainstream media is intent on painting a portrait of irresponsible artists/ravers who should’ve never opted to reside inside the warehouse in the first place, no one is asking the larger question of why these artists are forced to work and make a living in these specific circumstances.


Because you have an unmarketable skill and flaky lifestyle in one of the most expensive areas on planet Earth.

I know it's hard to imagine, but you can be an artist in Omaha as well.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 1:10 pm
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
19625 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:09 pm to
So these government loving types can't afford to live b/c of government, and they're scared government is going to make it more expensive to live as a result. Yet they still want more government, liberalism truly is a mental disorder.
Posted by colorchangintiger
Dan Carlin
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:09 pm to
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no one is asking the larger question of why these artists are forced to work and make a living in these specific circumstances.


Modern day slavery I tell ya.

Seriously though, the Bay Area needs to take a long hard look at their housing problem, loosen up the regulations, and build more high rise housing.
Posted by Wooly
Member since Feb 2012
13851 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:09 pm to
New age hippies trying to shift the blame of a horrible deadly fire on to someone else?



Color me shocked
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:09 pm to
yeah the comments are golden

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Peter Robinson · Portland State University

The current solutions seems to be to move to Portland...


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Elliot Shindler

Peter Robinson My ex-husband recently forced my family into a move from the Bay Area to Portland. He has all the money (thanks to an inheritance from his grandpa, who made a fortune in the LA defense industry in the 40s-70s) so I had no say. Unless you, like my ex, are living off a trust fund, Portland isn't all that viable an option either. Rents are comparable to Oakland (not SF or Silicon Valley), but job opportunities are 'limited' (to put it politely) & wages are dismall. And then there's the fact that my kids' elementary school (Beverly Cleary, one of the highest rated in Portland), which has maybe 10 black students, 5 Asian students and, as far as I can tell, NO Hispanic students-- has had multiple instances of extremely racist graffiti this Fall. NEVER, when my kids were attending an SF public school (CACS) did anything remotely similar happen. The Portland pipe dream is a sham; you have been warned.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:10 pm to
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So these government loving types can't afford to live b/c of government, and they're scared government is going to make it more expensive to live as a result. Yet they still want more government, liberalism truly is a mental disorder.

Silicon Valley has a much bigger impact than government in this case
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:10 pm to
Animals, drugs, and all sorts of stuff going on there.

Maybe instead of the Affordable Care Act they need the Affordable Electrician Act.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:11 pm to
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Silicon Valley has a much bigger impact than government in this case


True.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139207 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:12 pm to
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So these government loving types can't afford to live b/c of government, and they're scared government is going to make it more expensive to live as a result. Yet they still want more government, liberalism truly is a mental disorder.


No, they can't live how they want because of basic economics. The Bay Area has the fastest growing economy in the country therefore the cost of living is through the roof.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104448 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:12 pm to
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Housing crisis, not ravers, responsible for fire



Hold the frick on... everyone that died lived there?
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
122525 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:13 pm to
I didn't read the details of this story, only that there was a fire in Oakland, at a warehouse that was a known structure that violated building codes and that when it did catch on fire there was a party going on. One question that came to mind was whether or not the building was abandoned and it was being used to host underground parties or exactly what the building was being used as, but I just sort of moved on from the story..

So the owner of the building was still providing whatever it was the building was used for? In other words, because of the building's building code violations, it was never shut down?
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:13 pm to
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The Portland pipe dream is a sham; you have been warned.


I thought the dream of the 90s was alive?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:14 pm to
the Bay Area is just so fricked b/c it used to be a big city with all this weird culture going on and then Silicon Valley basically corporatized it...yet the artsy types still want to remain?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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481186 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:14 pm to
what about the dream of the 1890s?
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:15 pm to
The douche running facebook has lost nearly 4 billion since the election, because of his stupid political ways. He could have donated a billion, pulled his head from his azz, saved 3 billion, and practically fixed the housing situation in that area single handed.

But no, that was just too logical for him, the boy genius too smart for Harvard.
Posted by xLxSxUxFxAxNx
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
58633 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:17 pm to
I mean if CNN doesn't even have your back, just move on.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
39399 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:18 pm to
I grew up in Portland and pretty much everyone I know has moved to the Bay Area, LA, or NY. The only people I know that are left are in extremely high need, low competition fields like healthcare or work for Nike. There has been a massive influx of young people because it's a great place to live, but zero economic engine to support it.

Rent in Portland is still dirty cheap compared to everywhere else on the west coast though. It's laughable to compare it to the Bay Area
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:18 pm to
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I mean if CNN doesn't even have your back, just move on.

these people are much more Berniebots than Shillaries

so they hate CNN about as much as Trumpkins
Posted by aVatiger
Water
Member since Jan 2006
27967 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 1:19 pm to
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I thought the dream of the 90s was alive?



upvotes for Portlandia reference and Portland being overrated AF
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