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re: NYC woman previously declined to press charges against subway shover because he’s black

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Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:22 am to
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What’s your experience with the criminal justice system? Explain

I spent a night in jail for public intoxication in college
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:22 am to
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Over 300k people are currently incarcerated on drug offenses.


They're incarcerated exclusively for drug offenses, or are they incarcerated for charges that include (but are not limited to) drugs?
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:25 am to
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90% are meth, cocaine, fentanyl, and heroin.

And? You act like jailing these people has done anything to curtail demand. It hasn’t.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:27 am to
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Or themselves targeted instead of others with common sense.

This woman was literally targeted and chose to ignore her own self preservation instincts
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:30 am to
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And? You act like jailing these people has done anything to curtail demand. It hasn’t.
And letting them roam won’t curtail demand either.

But between the two only choices that exist, jailing them is the better option.

Instead, I’m assuming you want the freedom mindset like that seen in Skid Row, Portland, Seattle, and Kensington, Philadelphia.

The true way to address this would require tough decisions, forced long term rehab, easier psychiatric holds, and significant consequences, but we can’t go down that road.

Therefore, pick between your two choices.

The stupidity of our society has forced a binary choice.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 10:35 am
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:32 am to
So, you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is very common for defendants to plead guilty to drug charges to have their gun and violence charges dropped. The idea that we’re imprisoning a majority harmless population is retarded.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:37 am to
Nah, those places are the polar opposite end of stupidity spectrum. We should be sending these people to mass rehab facilities if we going to spend money housing them.

All we do is throw bad money at bad money. It’s retarded and does nothing to address the root of the problem.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:41 am to
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We should be sending these people to mass rehab facilities if we going to spend money housing them.
How dare you force them into rehabs against their will? It isn’t prison for breaking a law, therefore you cannot do it. Drugs are decriminalized. You can’t make do something I don’t want.

- Said every progressive ever

You cannot do that.

The stupidity of our society does not allow it.

So, again, we are back to the binary.

Take your pick.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 10:43 am
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:45 am to
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root of the problem


Explain
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:46 am to
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So, you don’t know what you’re talking about. It is very common for defendants to plead guilty to drug charges to have their gun and violence charges dropped. The idea that we’re imprisoning a majority harmless population is retarded.

“Very common” - nice data.

What you’re talking about is sentencing enhancement laws, where if a weapon is present, charges are elevated, even if not used.

Here is some real data, and again, we are talking thousands of people costing billions of dollars.

Violence Rates: Historically, data from the U.S. Sentencing Commission indicates that direct violence or threats of violence are relatively rare in federal drug cases, occurring in less than 1% of sentenced offenses.

Primary Offense: As of early 2026, BOP Statistics show that roughly 42.6% of federal inmates are held for drug offenses, while 22.2% are held for weapons, explosives, or arson as their primary charge.

1. Mandatory Minimum Add-Ons (18 U.S.C. § 924(c))Under federal law, Firearm Sentence Enhancements for Federal Drug Crimes apply whenever a person uses, carries, or possesses a firearm "in furtherance" of a drug trafficking crime. These penalties must run consecutively to the drug sentence. Possession: Adds a minimum of 5 years.

In the United States, most individuals serving state prison sentences for drug offenses do not have concurrent weapons charges. According to Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) surveys, approximately 92% of non-violent offenders in state prison—a category that includes most drug-only offenders—did not use or possess a weapon during their current offense.

State Prison Drug Offense Statistics (2026 Estimates)As of 2026, about 134,000 to 171,300 people are incarcerated in state prisons for drug-related crimes as their primary offense.Weapon Involvement: Data indicates that only 8% of these individuals possessed or used a weapon during the crime for which they were sentenced.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
57895 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:48 am to
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the jails are full because of the utterly disastrous “war of drugs”.


By contrast, California has let rampant drug use to occur on the streets, and look how well that is going...

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The states need to quit jailing people for consuming or selling plants and lock up the psychopaths


I believe we had an incident at LSU last year at a tailgate, that coincided with open and free pot use. Soon to follow was a shooting.

I'd argue that every place i go that reeks of pot, has a criminal element attached to it.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 10:49 am
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:50 am to
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Explain

They’re addicts and part of the drug culture machine. It’s a mental illness. Even the majority of “dealers” that townie cops arrest are just small time junkies they are fueling their addiction issues.

And there is no fixing a lot of these people. But before we go the prison route, we should spend the money trying to get them clean.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77270 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:55 am to
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And there is no fixing a lot of these people. But before we go the prison route, we should spend the money trying to get them clean.
If there is no criminal act, you cannot simply force them into these facilities.

We should be able to, but you cannot, largely because of progressives and progressive women.

It is the same as psychiatric issues. If they aren’t a threat to themselves or others, you cannot force them and, at best, you can hold them for 72 hours.

Our society is not willing to make the sacrifice in order to truly better this situation.

Therefore, we are left with 2 choices.
Posted by CleverUserName
Member since Oct 2016
17490 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 10:58 am to
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It’s an extraordinary burden on the system, and why you see overcrowded prisons.


So why do you people put zero focus on prevention and intervention prior to them getting arrested? I'm not talking commercials and pamphlets. I mean street level, mass mobilization to drive out drugs and the dealers?

You people cry about people in jail for drugs.. then you cry when boats full of narcotics are sank in the gulf.

It's not until they volunteer for prison and the door slams that you bleeding hearts get involved. Well.. it's too late then.

All these prisoners you are advocating for should have been corrected by the public before it got to that point.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
73682 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:05 am to
Example elevendy-billion of why the 19th amendment was a horrible idea.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25479 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:08 am to
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A young woman in New York City said she declined pressing charges against a violent suspect because she didn't want to put 'another black man in jail,' weeks before he allegedly killed a 76-year-old retired teacher.


NYC wants these things, so NYC gets these things. And I'm not even mad about it. That's the way they want to conduct their society. Ross Falzone was a 76 year old retired teacher with a doctorate from Columbia University. Lifelong New Yorker. He likely voted for and supported everything about Rhamell Burke, as well as what he contributed to New York.

That's the way they do things there. Let them do it and stay away from NYC. It's a cultural thing but it's all theirs.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:18 am to
I have worked in a D.A.’s office. Have you? And federal drug offenders are typically on a higher level than some small time street dealer.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 11:20 am
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:20 am to
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clean


Aren’t they clean in prison?
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
12637 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:41 am to
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I have worked in a D.A.’s office. Have you? And federal drug offenders are typically on a higher level than some small time street dealer.

Well there I have it. All the factual data representing the system is meaningless standing up to your anecdotal experience working in a DAs office, where the deck is stacked for the state to secure quick convictions for lawyers that spend 3 years and six figures to get a $100k job.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
122892 posts
Posted on 5/12/26 at 11:42 am to
You just made the claim that drug dealers are mostly users that just need help.
This post was edited on 5/12/26 at 11:43 am
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